NO. 18 NEWSLETTER MARCH 1986

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1 CANADA METER STUDY GROUP NO. 18 NEWSLETTER MARCH 1986 Again, the editor is behind the theoretical eight ball trying to get this newsletter out to you. The articles presented here are the last for a while from here. The reasons for this are multiple but boil down to having little time to spare for philatelic pursuits and a new opportunity which has been presented by other meter, specialists to keep interest in our study area alive. As outlined below the editor will continue to welcome correspond with some of you and distribute at his leisure interesting stuff now and then. However, at this point you the members are stuck with selecting to go in one of two directions: join a new non-affiliated society or select a new editor and continue. I will not attempt to suggest which is best but do offer some insights from the middle. No further financial contributions for postage etc. will be needed as anything from me now will be just for fun folks. PHILOMETRIST ASSOCIATION One of our members, Mr. Yvon Legris is attempting to catalyse a new association interested in either or both of meters and permit mail. Its main stated objective is " the promotion of the study and collection of meter impressions and permit imprints." A french chapter called. Les Iv ecanoteliste has 40 members and has operated (quietly) since August As a french speaking meter collector I would have been interested in joining. A quarterly bulletin will be published Mr. Legris says in a flyer I am sure you all have now received. Emphasis will be on Canada, market developments, new issues, changes in rates and policies, and aspects of specialized fields. This is an interesting development which the editor essentially welcomes. May I offer a few suggestions: PEER REVIEW - published research articles should be well researched and reviewed by other collectors prior to release. This is the policy of the CMSG Newsletter and would be useful to the new Association. It will also permit elimination of the significant number of errors and violations of copyright material exemplified by Mr. Legris catalogue which appeared last year. Poor research is one matter but use of other people's ideas and copyright photographs from other publications is regrettable. The point being the best material should be circulated in the interest of maintaining credibility and collector respect. DUPLICATION - the new Association is a good idea but it is a direct duplication of the CMSG. Hence, in the interest of fair play let's encourage Mr. Legris to give it a good try. If in 6 months the new Association is nowhere, I will be pleased to revitalize the CMSG if one of you has not already done so. In my experience, only about 40 meter collectors in North America specialize sufficiently in Canada to warrant any kind of meter group. Affiliation with the Postal History Society of Canada has been useful as a start up

2 18-2 vehicle for funds and publicity. It also provides an umbrella of respectability. The new Philometrist Association is attempting to follow the route of the Meter Stamp Society which requires a verily large basic group to justify sophisticated mailings, etc. I personally doubt this exists here. The major aspect that strikes me is communication to french speaking collectors. Does Mr. Legris intend to publish in both languages? The CMSG offered this in an early newsletter but to date only one article has been submitted in french and published in french. The editor would like to encourage both languages in Canadian meter collecting and would like to see any material written on Canadian meters in french. AUCTIONS Pair. Legris indicates the new Association will have auctions. The CMSG has offered this at least 3 times and has distributed mail sale listz4 occasionally. All have met indifference it appears. Mr. Legris attempts here even last year went nowhere. NEWSLETT2,R-Four times a year according to Mr. Legris. At an annual fee of :Y.00 this should barely cover the costs of postage ($1.40), envelopes (1.00), paper (1.00) and photocopying($2.50). Good luck. Don't even think about word processing. OK? Enough gripping. I personally am sending Mr. Legris $7.00 and will wait to see what happens. If you are really interested in meters (or permits) do so as well: Yan Philatelic, 6700 Langelier blvd, Montreal h1m2c5). SPECT;.ENS :_a --)ham notes he has several items of industris] trials discussed in newsletter 37..fie LmiLz -ests the one illustrated and heioning to dilf Whitehouse is a trial, design for the PB Model RT and RF (Irwin Type 11). POST OFFICE REGULATIONS Ernest Roscoe has written a wonderful article comparing US and Canasian regulations. This is gleaned from copies of the boring Canada Post material sent out to a few of you in the fall. If anyone wants a photocopy of Ernest's article please send me a SASE with 34 cents in Canadian postage and I will send it along or you can read it in Stamp Collector Feb. 1 /86, pp and Feb. 15/86, pp. 16. It is entitled "Yes to Meters, Canadian Post Office AutLorized Metered Mail in 1923" and "Meter Made, Meter Useage in Canada. Differs From That in the US". CONTEST (sorry no prize) What is the shortest, and the longest, town name in a Canadian meter impression? What is the maximum number of letters in a Canadian townmark which may include the town, postal station and province?

3 18-3 ADDITIONS TO THE CANADA TOWN LIST BC ATLIN QUATHIASKI COVE MAN CRYSTAL CITY ETHELBERT NEWDALE NS MILL VILLAGE ONE[' EARLTON FORMOSA PG HAUTERIVE-SAC NEWPORT ST-CAMILLE STE-EMILIE-DE- L'ENERGIE ST-FREDERIC ST-LAZARE VILLAGE SASK CLIMAX Please report any new U.S.and Canada towns to: Alan Draves, P.O. Box 2009, Cridersville OH Please include the EXACT spelling of town as shown in the town circle, and meter number (if legible) in all reports. Draves has been a consistent and reliable contributor of these townmark updates for 5 years now. The editor thanks him for this and aplpeciates the help. SPECT= INDICIA Ernest Roscoe notes that the -.- ornament on the specimen item illustrated in newsletter 17(pp.5) has been used. by PB in the USA in particular on Large Eagle indicia (Simon-Walsh FB type). he indicates there was no consistent useage or pattern of meter number useage. Erenest kindly sent a 1937 example for Utica N.Y. POST OFFICE Di;ETERS Three following pages are contributed by Ross Irwin. A "final" list with corrections at the end. I guess this will go on forever...? Cur thanks for another valuable contribution. COLIPARISON OF METER INDICIA CANADA-USA Also included with this newsletter is a 7 page comparison of indicia types used in Canada and the USA for Irwin meter types and Simon-Walsh catalogue types. Thanks again to Ross Irwin. Look also for an upcoming article on government meters in the Canadia n Philatelist by Ross.

4 LISTING OF P.O. POSTAGE METERS VICTORIA B.C HAMILTON ONTARIO 1954 STATION T TORONTO ONT KITCHENER ONTARIO 1964 EDMONTON ALTA Serial TOWN NAME OTTAWA ONTARIO HALIFAX NOVA SCOTIA OTTAWA ONTARIO POSTAL STN. D OTTAWA ONT MONTREAL QUEBEC TORONTO ONTARIO LINDSAY ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO FORT WILLIAM ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO PRINCE ALBERT SASK TORONTO ONTARIO YORKTON SASK MONTREAL QUEBEC CORNWALL ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO NEW GLASGOW N.S MONTREAL QUEBEC HALIFAX N.S OTTAWA ONTARIO SAShATOON SASK TORONTO ONTARIO GUELPH ONTARIO 196B TORONTO ONTARIO ORILLIA ONTARIO SAINT JOHN NEW BRUNSWICK OTTAWA ONTARIO QUEBEC QUEBEC TORONTO ONTARIO KITCHENER ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO MEDICINE HAT ALBERTA TRURO NOVA SCOTIA QUEBEC QUEBEC MONTREAL QUEBEC NORTH BATTLEFORD SASK NEW WESTMINSTER B.C TORONTO ONTARIO VANCOUVER B.C TIMMINS ONTARIO PRINCE ALBERT SASK POSTAL STN. B MONTREAL P.O WINNIPEG MANITOBA HALIFAX N.S LONDON ONTARIO NIAGARA FALLS ONTARIO VERNON B.C LETHBRIDGE ALBERTA VANCOUVER B.C KELOWNA B.C CHARLOTTETOWN P.E.I ST.THOMAS ONTARIO VICTORIA B.C GUELPH ONTARIO NEW WESTMINSTER B.C VANCOUVER B.C NORTH BATTLEFORD SASK DAWSON CREEK B.C NEW WESTMINSTER B.C TRURO NOVA SCOTIA NEW WESTMINSTER B.C TORONTO ONTARIO VANCOUVER B.C OTTAWA ONTARIO YARMOUTH N.S LLOYDMINSTER SASK MONTREAL QUEBEC NELSON B.C WINDSOR ONTARIO ROSEMONT MONTREAL P.O LONDON ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC LONDON ONTARIO OUTREMONT MONTREAL P.Q NEW GLASGOW NOVA SCOTIA KITCHENER ONTARIO VANCOUVER B.C HALIFAX N.S POSTAL STATION A VANCOUVER B.C MONTREAL QUEBEC OUTREMONT MONTREAL P.O ST.JOHN'S NFLD QUEBEC QUEBEC TORONTO ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC SUDBURY ONTARIO LETHBRIDGE ALBERTA MONTREAL QUEBEC TORONTO ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC CHARLOTTETOWN P.E.I SOUTH BURNABY VAN. B.C ST.LAURENT MONTREAL P.O PEMBROKE ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC MONTREAL QUEBEC MONTREAL QUEBEC NOTRE DAME DE GRACE MONTREAL P.O PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE MAN NEW GLASGOW NOVA SCOTIA BRANDON MANITOBA SAULT STE MARIE ONTARIO KITCHENER ONTARIO KITCHENER ONTARIO WINDSOR ONTARIO LETHBRIDGE ALBERTA TORONTO ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC WINDSOR ONTARIO WILLOWDALE ONTARIO POSTAL STATION 'A' VANCOUVER B.C SARNIA ONTARIO ROCK ISLAND QUEBEC 1963

5 PRESTON ONTARIO 1962 KITCHENER ONTARIO REGINA SASK EDMONTON ALTA TORONTO ONTARIO 1953 TORONTO ONTARIO CHATHAM ONTARIO 1964 OSHAWA ONTARIO 1965 PEMBROKE ONTARIO 1952 MOUNT ROYAL MONTREAL P.O BELLEVILLE ONTARIO DOWNSVIEW ONTARIO KAMLOOPS B.C TORONTO ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO PENTICTON B.C QUEBEC QUEBEC FREDERICTON N.B KAMLOOPS B.C GRANBY QUEBEC GLACE BAY N.S WINDSOR ONTARIO CRANBROOK B.C TORONTO ONTARIO HAMILTON ONTARIO NIAGARA FALLS ONT VERDUN MONTREAL P.O MONTREAL QUEBEC KITCHENER ONTARIO NANAIMO B.C ST.CATHARAINES ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC ISLINGTON ONTARIO CALGARY ALBERTA PRESTON ONTARIO CRANBROOK B.C SWIFT CURRENT SASK LINDSAY ONTARIO PEMBROKE ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC TRAIL B.C EDMONTON ALTA MONTREAL QUEBEC FLIN FLON MANITOBA REGINA SASK MONTREAL QUEBEC CORNER BROOK NFLD SUDBURY ONTARIO ISLINGTON ONTARIO REGINA SASK VANCOUVER B.C GALT ONTARIO NORTH VANCOUVER B.C TORONTO ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO TORONTO STA. F ONT VANCOUVER B.C REGINA SASK BARRIE ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC REGINA SASK OUTREMONT MONTREAL P.O HAMILTON ONTARIO SUDBURY ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC OSHAWA ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC DAWSON CREEK B.B DELORIMIER MONTREAL P.O SIMCOE ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC SAINT JOHN N.B CALGARY ALBERTA RED DEER ALBERTA ISLINGTON ONTARIO 196B MONTREAL QUEBEC TORONTO ONTARIO ST.JOHN'S NFLD HAMILTON ONTARIO VANCOUVER B.C VICTORIA B.C FLIN FLON MANITOBA VANCOUVER B.C VANCOUVER B.C REGINA SASK MONTREAL QUEBEC VANCOUVER B.C MONTREAL QUEBEC CALGARY ALBERTA EDMONTON ALTA VANCOUVER B.C ST.THOMAS ONTARIO CAMROSE ALBERTA MONTREAL QUEBEC LINDSAY ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO PETERBOROUGH ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO CHARLOTTETOWN P.E.I SNOWDON MONTREAL P.Q HALIFAX-DARTMOUTH N.S QUEBEC QUEBEC DRUMMONDVILLE QUEBEC SNOWDON MONTREAL P.O TORONTO ONTARIO STRATFORD ONTARIO KINGSTON ONTARIO HAMILTON ONTARIO WINDSOR ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO GALT ONTARIO OAKVILLE ONTARIO GUELPH ONTARIO PRINCE GEORGE B.C GALT ONTARIO MOOSE JAW SASK. 1963

6 FREDERICTON NEW BRUNSWICK TORONTO ONTARIO BARRIE ONTARIO QUEBEC QUEBEC MONTREAL QUEBEC MOUNT ROYAL MONTREAL P.O MONTREAL QUEBEC HALIFAX N.S SNOWDON MONTREAL P.O VANCOUVER B.C VANCOUVER B.C SHERBROOKE P.O TORONTO ONTARIO YOUVILLE MONTREAL P.Q PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE MANITOBA STATION T TORONTO ONT WINNIPEG MANITOBA SNOWDON MONTREAL P.O TORONTO ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO SCARBOROUGH ONTARIO GRANDE PRAIRIE ALBERTA TORONTO ONTARIO KITCHENER ONTARIO PETERBOROUGH ONTARIO OTTAWA ONTARIO ST.LAURENT MONTREAL P.O CORNWALL ONTARIO MOUNT ROYAL MONTREAL P.Q POSTAL STA. B MONTREAL P.Q POSTAL STN.E OTTAWA ONT POSTAL STATION B OTTAWA ONT LONDON ONTARIO BRANTFORD ONTARIO BANFF ALBERTA DUNCAN B.C ST.CATHARINES ONT POSTAL STN. E OTTAWA ONT MONTREAL QUEBEC POSTAL STN. E OTTAWA ONT :4 BRANTFORD ONTARIO PLACE D'ARMES MONTREAL P.O NEW WESTMINSTER B.C : DELORIMIER MONTREAL P.O MONTREAL QUEBEC SAULT-STE-MARIE ONTARIO : ST.CATHARINES ONT Corrections to above is this not 94028???? delete duplicate and spelling - St. Catharines add: SHERBROOKE P.Q TORONTO ONTARIO WILLOWDALE ONTARIO TORONTO ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC ST.JOHN'S NFLD. 196: VICTORIA MONTREAL P.O COURTENAY B.C DAUPHIN MANITOBA STATION C HAMILTON ONT STRATFORD ONTARIO KIMBERLEY B.C. 15:085 PLACE D'ARMES MONTREAL P.O YOUVILLE MONTREAL P.O TORONTO ONTARIO MONTREAL QUEBEC DELORIMIER MONTREAL P.O FORT WILLIAM ONTARIO WINNIPEG MANITOBA DOWNSVIEW ONTARIO WINNIPEG MANITOBA TORONTO STA. B ONT ST.THOMAS ONTARIO CALGARY ALBERTA TORONTO STA. F ONT SAULT-STE-MARIE ONTARIO POSTAL STN. E OTTAWA ONT MONTREAL QUEBEC ST.LAURENT MONTREAL P.O. 196:

7 18-7 COMPARISON OF POSTAGE METER INDICIA Ross W. Irwin Postage meters used in Canada were primarily of US manufacture. This means that the actual space provided for the indicia must be the same regardless of the indicia design. Below, is a comparison of the indicia designs as used for particular postage meters so a visual comparison may be made. The code number is: Irwin catalog number/postage meter model/ Simon-Walsh catalog number. Please note that direct comparisons are arbitrary in some cases. 1.2 M CA 5.1 HF DB1/2/3 syostage.,ents IMMO /r3a10,1, METER HO ,? ri 2 i COATS HF DB1/2/ CINTS H3 MUTE DB10/ HS DB9

8 S 11 I ^ (.06 1 t NEI 4 3j 7. 2 HT DE HT DE3 c p POST FS.01 METRE NO.EAan2 7.1 HX DE1 POSTES.0 3 sr eicr_p I 7. 2 HX DE2 METRE 646.I9 METER , 7. 3 DE3 S.POSTA6E AMOUNT.03, pro,' iptif4eiek PaSTtS.03 METRE NO CA DE1.04 C POSTAGE. 9 METRE CA DE2 NOV 12 C 1336

9 CV DF5.03 hit 'F'fi 5 2-1P, 8.2 CV DF6 8.4 CA DF3 8.3 CV DF 7 US.POSTAG[ ,9 METER pe METEq U.S.POSTAGE amounr No.905I7-=c3W:no. PAID.1.4. A FA NOV29'35 C- vg vp,". ur a. N. Y. 9.2 JD F13 rotr CCMP IFI!, * 0 3 E 10.1 Co in -0-Post Mail -0-Mat M (FC) 1..\ 'V R4^ ' -9 APK1.4' P ueb `'c=i1bi RT/RF HA3

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12 SIUji'43 T PC A 0 E E =PB] ? IC.ILITARY LIST Finally got it typed up and this is now enclosed for a last time. This kind. of listing will be subject to many updates and additions but someone else will have to keep track. GOVERNMENT METERS I've been accumulating a good box of this stuff by Department and want to clean it out of my basement. I will send it anyone seriously interestr.:d and who will write an article about them. Period is and 1980's in general. One more thing - if you want it you pay the postage - about 47 in. Canada and $20 to USA (rough estimate). C. Rubec, 488 Athlone Ave, Ottawa, Ontario, KlZ 5M8. AND FINALLY Many thanks to all of you for your contributions and material, ideas and suggestions. The CMSG was envisaged as a members group depenlent on input. I've enjoyed yore letters and considerappreciate your friendship. Perhaps this will continue at a later date but it seems time now to let someone else take a go at it. Cheers:! FILLER A Brian Baloney Meter: Clayton Rubec Ottawa March:31, 1986 PRIME MINISTER PREMIER MINISTRE OTTAWA K1A 0A2 OFFICE OF THE PRIME MINISTER CMJINET DU FREMIIi:.R. MINISTEE: 'ic.1a GA2

13 18-13 Jr 71 OF Irwin Over the,}ears I have always found a fertile source of meter impressions, particularly those of the specimen variety, has been at the major business machine shows. Postage meters have been a back-burner interest with me for a number of years, but filled with new enthusiasm I decided to take in the hational 3usiness Show at l'oronto. It was held at the 06k rounds on a very wet day. I should have stayed at home. It turned out that if you were not interested in computers and software there was little else at the show. Apoarently Pitney 7 Bowes has not taken part for some years, kostalia was listed in the original program but failed to attend. Only Hasler and Canada _cost was present. 3o, for the expense of attending I obtained the two specimens shown here. ith so little to see I scent quite a bit of time with international hailing Systems Ltd., the Canadian distributor of the Swiss Hasler postage, meter systems. Their basic machine is Model 307E which prints tapes or envelopes. It does not seal envelopes. the next larger mailin machine is Model and does the same as the Model 307B but also seals and feeds the envelopes through the machine - up to 999 at one time. the lar,4est machine is the Model 307 ` S42: which stacks, seals, and stamps 200 covers a minute, of almost any size.?he postage meter associated with these mailing machines is quite interesting. The model numbers are tabulated below. USFS Model Canadian Model Maximum Stamp Maximum Setting 9610/ , / , / ,99 dec. 9, , (new model) 9513/ U (UPS) , The UPS register can be changed to postage meter operation very auickly; however, the Post Office sets the meter and a UPS salesman collects postage on a regular basis at the point of meter use. She postage meter indicia, as shown, in 4-bank which infers it can -print to This is not always the case. The 3-bank -postae meter uses the 4-bank indicia but the initial digit is alwa:ys a "0". The maximum value for the Model 4310 would read "09.99". The fractiona meter was not at the show. hote that theu indicia is larger.

14 TN Franking Stem. v-vx,,,m2yezrzmanamar rori07p2.7e! '..iervx771 M313'8C3 rjiti 0 1,7 2 \,:70 74 J:>, [... COM... MON CARRIED y town list is not up to date. These may have been reported. DELBURNE ALTA COALDALE ALTA ARCHERWILL BASK DU BON CONSEIL `SUE FEO HALIFAX NS BUCTOUCHE NB FREDERICTON JUNCTION NB RIVER GLADE NB STANLEY - NB YOUNGS COVE ROAD. NB (poor copy, can't tell if 's COFORT COVE N_1"/STEAD NFLD GOOSE AIRPORT NFLD TOPSAIL NFLD HAWKES BAY NFLD Ross W. Irwin