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1 The Follow Us On Founded 1982 Join us on aircraft museum tour see details page 5 Christmas Party 2012 A Publication of Meeting Sunday, Jan. 20, 9:00 am Golden Corral Woodmen Rd. West of Powers Chapter 809 of Volume 37, Number 3 January

2 2013 Officers President Ed Halpin Vice President Randy Karl Secretary Patricia Fox Treasurer John Koll Membership John Koll Drip Line Editor Paul Campbell PPCC MAIL LIST CORSA set up PPCC with a mail list. To subscribe, send an to Garrie Fox gfox80915@yahoo.com telling me you would like to subscribe and I will add you to the list. Same goes if you want to unsubscribe. This mail list is like a small version of the VV s. You send a message to ppcclist@corvair.org and it sends the message to everyone subscribed. The list is setup to block all attachments and convert all formatted text (HTML) to plain text to greatly reduce the chances of transmitting a virus. This list is intended to improve communication within PPCC. It will mostly be used to let us know about meetings, brunches and car shows, cars and parts for sale The DRIP LINE is a monthly publication of the PIKES PEAK CORVAIR CLUB, a chartered chapter of CORSA, the Corvair Society of America. Contents are copyrighted in the names of the authors and PPCC. Articles can be reprinted in any COR- SA publication as a service to CORSA members provided credit to the author and this Newsletter is clearly stated. Deadline for submitting information to the DRIP LINE is the last Friday each month for the next month s publication. Submit information to pdtcamp@yahoo.com or mail to: the DRIP LINE c/o Paul & Pat Campbell 1716 E. Yampa St., Colorado Springs, CO All correspondence to the PIKES PEAK CORVAIR CLUB or its officers should be mailed to: PO. BOX 15034, Colorado Springs, CO Business card size ads, advertising business services of both members and non-members are $2.50/month. To save time and money advertisers are asked to send $15.00 for six months or $30.00 for one year s advertising. Simple classified advertising of CARS FOR SALE or PARTS FOR SALE or WANTED are free to members, non-members will be charged $2.50/ month. Send copies of larger ads to PO BOX Colorado Springs, CO for quotes on larger ads. All checks for advertisements should be sent to PO BOX Colorado Springs, CO Electronic copies of ads may be sent to Volume 37, Number 3 January

3 Letter From PPCC President Ed Halpin Hello Everyone! I hope the holiday season was safe and festive. As we put away the holiday decorations, and ring in the New Year, it s too easy to reflect back on what s happened over the past 12 months, and as a club, we ve had a lot going on. First, let me thank Patricia and Garrie Fox for their leadership as club President and VP over the past year, and for their continued support of the club s initiatives and activities. Because of their direct involvement, PPCC has made significant strides in the level of on-line exposure and internal communication between members, so thanks for everything you continue to do to keep us moving forward! Next, I want to recognize and thank a couple of our long time staples of support; John Koll and Paul Campbell. In preparation for January s meeting, and to better understand the position you ve all asked me to take in overseeing the club s activities in this coming year, I ve done quite a bit of research on the club s history. I was surprised to find that John has served as our Treasurer now for more than 30 years, having assumed that role in 1982 when the club was incorporated with the State of Colorado as a nonprofit. Not sure if John just likes the job, or just doesn t know what he wants to be when he grows up, but I wanted to note his milestone here for everyone to acknowledge. Please thank him personally for his service the next time you see him at our meeting. In my transition to this new role, Paul Campbell has been a huge source of information, perspective, and counsel. He continues to entertain and inform us via the club s newsletter, the award winning Dripline, and will continue in that role throughout Thanks Paul, for everything you do for the club. I would also be remiss if I didn t give a shout out to Randy Karl, and recognize his work on our club s primary website. I look forward to working with Randy over the next couple months to enhance what is already a viable and relevant web space. We ve got some neat things planned for the site this year. Over the past couple weeks, I ve reached out to many others in the club, to gain some background and understanding, and not a single person hesitated to help me out. Steve Goodman, Wayne Russert, and John Glusick, to mention only a few, thanks for helping me get on the right track. Ok, so now on to the new stuff, and what we can all look forward to in 2013 as members of the PPCC; one word, FUN!! That s my primary goal for the next year, for our meetings to be enjoyable and informative, an opportunity for us all to get together, get to know each other a bit, and enjoy the hobby that has brought us all together. As our club s initial by-laws state, the purpose of this club shall be to: encourage the acquisition, preservation, restoration, exhibition, and enjoyment of Corvairs; encourage the preservation and distribution of all printed matter or data pertaining thereto; promote sociability among the members of the organization, and promote the exhibition of Corvairs and related vehicles. In the spirit of that mission statement; I d like to offer up a club challenge; to see every local Corvair that isn t running, running once again. For those that are, I d like to see them out of the garage and participating in the local events and car displays, showcasing this unique and colorful car to a new generation of gear heads and enthusiasts. Along with our increased presence on Facebook, I have a number of ideas that I ll be working with our Membership Chair to implement which are intended to increase our local visibility. There s a lot to be said for simplicity, and I m not a guy who is driven to change, just for change s sake. I really enjoy the current personality of the PPCC. That being said, I do understand that the club is only as good as its membership s level of interest and involvement. To drive some immediate feedback my way, I ll be sending out a short survey to all active club members in January, soliciting your input on what activities you d like to do this Volume 37, Number 3 January

4 year, and what you d like to see the club involved in. I ll compile that feedback and present it for your consideration at either the February or March meetings. I could to on, but then what would if Have to write about in future Driplines? More to follow in the coming months. Please feel free to reach out to me directly with ideas and suggestions you might have. Thank you for allowing me to serve as your club President for the next year. I really look forward to working with each and every one of you!! Who IS this guy? Ed Halpin For those in the club who haven t had a chance to attend one of our recent meetings, you might not recognize my name, or have been able to match the name to a face, so I wanted to formally introduce myself, as I know I ll be talking with all of you at one time or another in the coming year. I got my first Corvair back in 1978, while running a paper route back in my home town of Somers Point, New Jersey. One of the ladies on my route, had what looked to be a nice 68 or 69 coupe (I forget) sitting in her driveway. I had asked her about the car a couple times, and she said it hadn t run in a while (ran when parked sound familiar?). Then, she asked if I d like to take the car. One hitch, she would give me the car if I painted her house. I thought, that s a no-brainer, said yes, and then went home to figure out how I was going to make that happen. Dad! Of course he d like to help me get my first car, right? After some tough negotiation, he agreed to help paint the house with me, and within a couple days, I had the car. As a kid, I didn t know a lot about cars, but the Corvair didn t seem too different than the others I had worked on at Auto Shop in school, it just had the engine in the back. So, I went basic; I did a tune up and oil change, tried to start it, and sure enough, it ran. Turned out to be a cracked distributor cap. I ran that car all through my senior year, and only sold it when I joined the Army after graduation. Fast forward almost 30 years, through raising five kids, an Army career, and many, many moves. The kids have grown, they re all moving out and getting on their lives, and my wife looks at me and says, You need a hobby. Now, I could interpret that a couple ways; she s either getting tired of me being the only one around the house, or, she has my best interests at heart and just wants me to find something enjoyable to do with my time. I am sure it is the latter, so I start looking at cars. Oh, one glitch to the program, she only gave me $700. So, I stopped looking for Vettes and Cobras, and found a non-op 1960 Corvair on Denver s Craigslist to check out, for $800. After some discussion with the fella that owned it (used car salesman), I told him I wanted the car, but I only had $700 because it would cost me to have the car towed to Castle Rock. He took sympathy on me, took the $700, I took the car, and I ve been playing with the Vairs ever since. That was July 2006, and in the time since, I ve learned a lot. I rebuilt that 60, and have since picked up a 67 4-door which I m tinkering with every week to get back on the road. It s been a lot of fun, and a pleasant reconnection to my younger days. Now, when I fire the car up and head out on the road, I ll put in that old Van Halen soundtrack, and it s like I m back in high school, even just for a couple minutes. A gentle reminder, monthly meetings are held on the 3rd Sunday of each month at 9:00am in the meeting room of Golden Corral at 5410 E. Woodmen Rd. west of Powers (north side) ramblings of the President begin at 9:30. THE CORVAIRS OF MISTER PRESIDENT Volume 37, Number 3 January

5 Zddp is still an important issue Some years ago, I created a minor furor by asking members which oil they were using. A lot of members responded to Dripline, we even received replies from members of other clubs around the country. No two people used the same oil. Now, no less an authority than Hagerty, the world s largest classic car publication has weighed in with this advice: If you have any classic car with flat tappets (Corvairs and others) you MUST use an oil with an additive of ZDDP. According to Hagerty the ZDDP factor should be 1,000 to 1,500 ppm (parts per million. What is ZDDP? Darned if I know, but I think the first letter stands for zinc. I ve been using Shell Rotella 15w-40 Heavy Duty Motor Oil because I thought it containded ZDDP. But, I decided to call Shell consumer relations, asked the question and the voice on the other end knew the answer immediately: 1,250 ppm.. He told me my Corvair would run very well on Shell Rotella. If you don t know the ZDDP factor in your oil, I suggest you call the consumer relations hotline and find out. By the way, too much ZDDP is just as bad as too little. MUSEUM TOUR SATURDAY, JANUARY 19, NOON The Westpac Restorations 3 acre site consists of a 65,000 sq ft, state of the art restoration, propeller and metal forming facility located on the Colorado Springs Airport (COS) in Colorado. The facility was purpose built and we officially opened our doors in March of SA WestPac Restorations Inc. 765 Aviation Way Colorado Springs, CO Ph: Fx: Copyright WestPac. Adults / Group Rate $8.00 per person Children (4-12) $5.00 per person Seniors (65+) $6.00 per person WWII Generation (retired WWII Veterans) Active Duty Armed Forces $6.00 per person with current military ID Volume 37, Number 3 January

6 BUYING A CAR WITHOUT TITLE Paul Campbell The very idea of buying a car without a title strikes terror into the hearts of many prospective buyers. Many people think you ve got to go through a lot of hoops to acquire a title when you ve purchased a vehicle without one. And, they re right to a point. The purpose of this article is to help you avoid some of the traps I fell into and make it less of a headache if you should decide to take a chance on a car without a title. But, first, a little background on my specific situation. I bought my 1963 project Corvair on August 3, 2012 from an auto shop that had purchased 17 cars in a lump sum at a storage auction. The auto shop owner received no titles, only a bill of sale from the storage facility as the cars were being evicted for non-payment of storage fees.. As a matter of law, the storage facility had already provided eviction notices by certified mail to the renters prior to the auction and none of them replied. So it was likely that the owners had either died or moved away. I didn t actually receive title to the car in my name until December 6. But, that s not as bad as it sounds. I couldn t even begin my efforts until October 22 as the car was not roadworthy. And, both DMV officials and I made mistakes in handling the paperwork. Once I started the process it only took about six weeks start to finish and most of that time I was just waiting for mail to move back and forth between me, the state headquarters office in Denver, (the only office empowered to do a title search) and the last owner of record. I hope this helps: Before buying, make sure you trust who you re dealing with and get a notarized bill of sale for the vehicle. Then, bookmark this website, and keep it for future reference. It has all the forms you ll need if you misplace some of the forms you are given by DMV:: Satellite/Revenue-MV/ RMV/ Take the notarized bill of sale to the DMV and tell them you purchased a vehicle without title. They ll direct you to someone in that office who will give you some guidance. Most of the guidance will probably be correct. On the first trip, I suggest you just listen and take the forms they give you. If you are not given a form DR2489A (I wasn t) ask for one as you will need it. Do not get a 10 day permit at this time. Good news: Since your Corvair is more than 25 years old, you are no longer required to purchase a title bond. That will save you some money. Instead, they will give you a form DR2462 In Lieu Of Bond For Motor Vehicles 25 Years Old or Older.. This two page form will take you (mostly) step by step through the title acquisition process. Read it carefully. Next, you must get a VIN Verification of your car. You do this by See page 7 Volume 37, Number 3 January

7 calling the State Patrol office (719) in Colorado Springs for an appointment. The day before or the day of your appointment, go back to the DMV and get a 10 day permit so you can legally drive your vehicle to the appointment. BEWARE: The DMV will only issue two 10 day permits so make sure the car is reliable before you go in. After the second permit expires, you re just out of luck, up the creek, tough knocking-no doors, etc. I narrowly avoided disaster on this item. In Colorado Springs, you MUST be able to drive the car to the State Patrol office at 1480 Quail Lake Loop. If you tow it in, the car will likely only be approved for a salvage title and that s not a good thing. Be sure to bring your car, $20 in CASH, your ID, and your notarized bill of sale to your appointment. I learned from PPCC member Ed Halpin that some areas may provide an in home vehicle inspection. Not so lucky in Colorado Springs. After the inspecting officer does his thing which is nothing more than glancing at the VIN plate on the vehicle and writing it down, he will give you a completed form DR2704. Next, fill out forms DR2539 Title Information Request and Receipt, DR 2444 Statement of Fact, DR 2394 Bond Statement Guide and In Lieu of Bond Affidavit, and DR2489A Motor Vehicle Record Search Request being sure to check the seventh box from the top on the left side of form DR 2489A. Include a copy of your bill of sale and a copy of the form DR2704 you received from the State Patrol. Enclose a check for $2.20 made out to Colorado Dept. of Revenue and mail it to: Colorado Dept. of Revenue Division of Motor Vehicles Title Section Denver, CO With a little luck, you can expect to receive the results of your vehicle search in the mail within two weeks. When I received mine, I learned the name and address of the last owner and that he purchased the car in December 1999 and licensed it in January The registration expired in January The owner never renewed the license. So, for nearly eight years it had not been licensed and had not been moved from storage in 3 to 5 years. Obviously, it took time and money to make the car roadworthy again. When you get the search results back from the state, you need to write a short letter and send it by certified mail/ return receipt requested to the last known owner at the address on the title search. I ve enclosed a sample copy of the letter you need to send. If you re lucky, the owner will have moved and you can go into the DMV with the UNO- PENED returned letter, bill of sale, title search result and copies of everything you sent to the state. They ll give you a title on the spot. Even though you are the legal owner of the vehicle, there is a small chance you may hear back from the last owner of record. If that happens, you may need to offer a nominal payment to purchase the title amount rather than get into any legal hassles. If the owner still refuses, you should go back to the DMV for further instruction, but that s see page 8 Volume 37, Number 3 January

8 highly unlikely. If you get a delivery receipt from the Post Office, the owner has 30 days to respond. If you hear nothing within the 30 days, you can go to the DMV and apply for a title taking with you all the documents you ve collected.. One last note: When I applied for a title, I brought all the forms, but the clerk told me that all forms had to be original and made me go back and fill out new ones. Therefore, these new forms could not have been original. I had sent some original forms to the state capitol as required. I gave her the originals she required she never even looked at them and immediately processed the application and gave me license plates. Ah, bureaucracy! I think that about covers it. I m not an expert in this field, but if you have any questions about my personal experience in this matter, feel free to give me a call at When I get the car running reliably I ll let you know if it s been worth the trouble and expense. Date Name Address City Dear Mr.: SAMPLE LETTER I am in possession of a (make, year, model, body style) VIN # Information provided to me by the State of Colorado indicates you are the last owner of record and that the car has not been licensed since I have legally purchased this vehicle and intend to acquire title. You, therefore, forfeit all interest in said vehicle. If you have any interest in this vehicle, you must contact me by certified mail within 30 days or consider the matter closed. Sincerely, Name Address City, State, Zip What s my Corvair Really Worth? That s a question we often ask ourselves. Well, I just recently came upon a free service offered by Hagerty insurance that will at least give you an educated opinion on the value of any classic car. Just go to Hagerty.com/evaluation tools and enter the information requested. Of course, you ll need to be realistic in you evaluation of your car s condition. TAKE THE BIKE!! Two engineering students were walking across campus when one said, "Where did you get such a great bike?" The second engineer replied, "Well, I was walking along yesterday minding my own business when a beautiful woman rode up on this bike. She threw the bike to the ground, took off all her clothes and said, "Take what you want." The second engineer nodded approvingly, "Good choice; the clothes probably wouldn't have fit." Volume 37, Number 3 January

9 Christmas Party Pictures Bonni Russert brought her Mom, Margaret Watts Another Source for Corvair Parts Club member Nancy Feldman has quite a history with Corvairs. Her brother, Art, McCreigt is in Florida and might be a good alternative choice for used and reconditioned parts if you can t find them locally. His NEW phone numbers are or Kirk Ellis and Jenny Balderama, Our Newest Members A Penetrating Subject Average Torque Load to Loosen No Oil used pounds WD pounds PB Blaster pounds Liquid Wrench pounds Kano Kroil pounds ATF*-Acetone mix...53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with good results. John and Phyllis Neal Pon Edwards Norm Geiseker Barb Pyle Laura Wilshire Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is almost as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF- Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a mix. *ATF=Automatic Transmission Fluid This actually works well, power-steering fluid also works as well as trans fluid! Volume 37, Number 3 January

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