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1 Piper TG-8 Gliders Ken Stoltzfus database, 11/26/12 Notes: - Father is my dad, the late Chris D. Stoltzfus, of Coatesville, PA, AWSR is the Aviation War Surplus Record. It had lots of info on surplus sales and I have info below from some copies that were Father s - Information is gathered from various sources and I am not responsible for its accuracy. - FAA files are incomplete at best. - Information I gathered from FAA files is only partial and does not always include all pertinent information. It is given for casual, non-technical and non-legal use only. Disclaimer Piper CN Mil. SN FAA Info G N46490 FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, deregis '56, exp. to Germany (Is it: TG , to J-3F65 N46490, D-EMUG, (OY-EFM), OY-EEE. Piper L-4 cn 9106 was converted to a glider, and after the war back to a J-3. - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, CD G Sealed bids 1/29/45, at Akron Airways, Inc., Municipal Airport, Akron, OH AWSR 1/24/45 G N49500 Have 11/2/12 FAA file on CD. FAA register 11/7/12 shows valid registration as J3C-65S with C-90. On 1/10/45, my father, Chris. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA was high bidder at $54.10 (AWSR 2/7/45). Sealed bids again 1/31/45, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 1/24/45), high bid Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC at $56.00 (AWSR 2/21/45). From 11/2/12 FAA file: 6/9/45 Bill of Sale from Reconstruction Finance Corp., Atlanta, GA office, to William S. Wood Jr., Phoenix, AZ for $350; 2/5/ on conversion to J3C-65. The front seat was removed and a standard J-3 front end with engine mount attach points welded in. 2/5/47 337, splices to a spar in each wing; 2/8/47 application for Airworthiness Certificate as J3C-65 shows date of mgs. as 8/25/42; 4/8/ on repairs from apparent groundloop; 4/15/48, 6/49 annual inspection reports; 2/ on installing C and Edo floats, now called a J3C-65S; 2/ on replacing cabin top window with hinged hatch; 10/27/55 letter from CAA to Wood, in El Centro, CA, seeking info on status of aircraft; 11/10/55 returned unclaimed, CAA canx registration; 2/74, fascinating, impassioned letter from Bob Turner re his 8/72 purchase of aircraft from Bob Northcutt for $250. He says, The aircraft exists (sort of),1/2 fuselage, a few rusty tail feathers and steel parts from the wings. 5/28/90 sold to Clifford E. Beers, Fountain Hills, AZ as J3C-65S; Aircraft obviously restored, 2/ s show C-90-12, wing tanks, Cleveland wheels/brakes Stits cover and more; 4/1/92 new Standard Airworthiness Certificate; 6/23/99 to BB&S Flying, Fountain Hills, AZ; 10/ s on repairs to left wing, new crankshaft; 1/8/05 to Clifford E. Beers, Patte A. Beers; 1/26/12 to Wolford Sales & Leasing, Abingdon, IL. G G G G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, revoked - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G G G G G High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, H. W. King, Orangeburg, SC $76.00 AWSR 2/7/45 G /20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AWSR 1/10/45 G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, revoked

2 G G G G G G G G G G G G G G High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, H. W. King, Orangeburg, SC $76.00 AWSR 2/7/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $42.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, John Syrel, Orangeburg, SC $ AWSR 2/7/45 (Syrek?) G N FAA 10/12 as J3L-65 with O-145, expired 6-11 (FAA $8.60) G Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to Kenneth Starns, Conway, AR for $ AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, Harry Porter, Lovell Field, Chattanooga, TN $125: AWSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Gillepsie Field, Nashville, TN, AWSR 1/10/45 G /20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AWSR 1/10/45 G G G G N49583, N18EH - High bid 1/31/45, Arthur Corry, Quincy, FL $ AWSR 2/21/45 - Sealed bids 1/31/45, at Souther Field, Americus, GA AWSR 1/24/45 - FAA 63 as N49583: FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with C90, Restricted, regis 2000, valid (FAA $9.40) - High bid 1/10/45, H. W. King, Orangeburg, SC $76.00 AWSR 2/7/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $42.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45

3 G G G G Accident at Bates Field, AL 2/3/43 G G G G G G Accident at Bates Field, AL 11/12/42 G G G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, expired, deregistered 7-12 G G G G G Baugher: To USN as XLNP-1 BuNo36425 G G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, canx Accident at Bates Field, AL 2/7/43 G Baugher: To USN as XLNP-1 BuNo36426 G G G G FAA file on CD 11/2/12 shows it was a Navy XLNP-1, but gives sn as Baugher says it was BuNo See notes at bottom. G N58462 FAA Register11/6/12 shows valid registration as J3C-65 with A&C/75. 1/5/45 Bill of Sale, Defense Plant Corp, NYC NY office, Piper Glider XLNP-1 (TG-8), Mfg. sn G-67, Ident No , to Thor Solberg, Whitehouse, NJ for $350; 12/24/45 B.O.S. to Marshall Hall, Pine Grove, PA, as glider, shows date of mfg. as 10/27/42; 12/24/ on conversion to J3L. Says TG8 front end cut off. A good L4 front end was welded on. An O-145-A2 was installed; 3/6/48 Form ACA-305 says date of mfg. as 10/27/42; 4/16/48 to Harry Williamson, Lebanon, PA as J3L-65, for $750; 9/8/48 to John A. VanSant, Old Star Airport Langhorne, PA; 5/16/49 to William J. Robinson, Philadelphia, PA; 12/17/49 to Milton E. Bassett, William C. Casten, Zigmond J. Puzycki, Donald R. Bauer, Merchantville, NJ; 7/15/50 337, installed Lycoming O-145-B2; 11/50 to William Geisenheimer, Marlton, NJ; 1/30/53 to Claude Gibson, Mapleshade, NJ; 6/1/54 to Earl S. Sharples, Moorestown, NJ; 7/30/54 to Robert W. Cooper, Paul S. Cooper, Williamstown, NJ; 9/25/59 to Albert C. Lewis, Williamstown, NJ; 10/10/59 to Cirrus Flying Club, Drexil Hill, PA; 6/27/60 to Paramount Air Service, Camden, NJ; 7/25/ on installing Continental C-75-12; 8/1/60 337, installed banner tow hitch;.

4 G G G High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $42.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, William Vogel, LaSalle IL $210 AWSR 2/7/45 - Accident at Bates Field, AL 12/03/42 G Sealed bid 1/22/45, at Lysdale Flying Service, Victory Airport, Minneapolis, MN, AWSR 1/10/45 G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid G G G G G G N9726H G G G FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with C-85, Valid G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid (FAA CD) G N46914 G G G G N49586 G G G Father s duster, I have 337 s, ops limits - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, Research - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA for $ AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, L. M. Sandlin, Miami, FL $36: AVSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Ludwig-Skyharbor Airport, St. Petersburg, FL, AWSR 1/10/45 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Restricted, Revoked - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research - High bid 1/31/45, Burlington Flying Service, Burlington, NC, $60.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, John Syrek, Orangeburg, SC $ AWSR 2/7/45 (Syrel?) - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $42.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, William Vogel, LaSalle IL $210 AWSR 2/7/45

5 G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with O-235, Restricted, banners, Valid Paramount, NJ G /20/45 Bid, at Gillespie Airways, Nashville, TN. Ernest W. Colbert, Nashville, TN $411: AWSR 1/10/45 G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, canx, deregis G G G G Canadian J3F-65 CF-OYD is cn 103. Maybe G-103? G High bid, Lester Caplan, University City, MO $ AWSR 2/7/45 G N46917 G G G G FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, canx, deregis (FAA CD) - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to C. Ray Smith, Florence, SC for $ AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, L. M. Sandlin, Miami, FL $36: AVSR 1/10/45 - Offered for sale on 1/17/45, disassembled at Ludwig-Skyharbor Airport, St. Petersburg, FL, AWSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 G See G-124, which was identified as G-124, when originally sold. G High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $ AWSR 2/21/45 G N49594 High bid 1/10/45, Joe Marrs, Miami, FL $201.00, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 2/7/45); Sealed bids 1/31/45, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 1/24/45); High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $ (AWSR 2/21/45); 6/12/45 letter in my file says Father sold it to Karl Knight, Aircraft Manufacturing & Sales Co., Miami, FL, who converted it to a J-3 duster; FAA 63 register says Grenada Air Service, Grenada, MS, O-235: Not on 11/7/12 FAA: - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G N49595 Have 11/2/12 FAA file on CD. FAA register 11/7/12 shows J3C-65 with C-85, registration expired 3/31/11. Father bought it surplus and sold it to Karl Knight in Miami. (see above) Pre-FAA history: High bid 1/10/45, Joe Marrs, Miami, FL $201.00, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 2/7/45); Sealed bids 1/31/45, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 1/24/45); High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $ (AWSR 2/21/45); From 11/2/12 FAA file: 2/19/45 Bill of Sale, Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta GA office, to Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA for $326.60; 2/19/45 to CDS; 4/17/45 to Karl Knight, Miami, FL; 7/2/45 regis to Knight; BOS 6/5/45 to Jim Roberts, Chester, SC, as J3C; 7/6/45 Karl Knight 337 on conversion to airplane, and to duster; Converted to Piper J3C IAW Approval #691 from Army TG-8 Glider by W. L. DeShazo, Miami, 7/10/45. 4/4/46 regis to Jim Roberts, Ft. Pierce, FL; 3/11/46 to George W. Carr, Lumberton, SC for $2250; 5/16/ on conversion to C-85, with Koppers Aeromatic prop; 7/8/52 to J. G. David, Bishopville, SC; 8/7/54 to William L. Horn Jr., Cheraw, SC; 11/29/54 to Edward F. Wilson and Joseph W. Gibson, Fort Myers, FL; 2/28/56 to Joseph P. Brown, Immokalee, FL; 9/17/69 conversion to Lycoming O-235; 1973 Regis canx, later reinstated; 9/10/86 to Owen Waggoner, Ft. Myers, FL; 8/8/87 AW Cert showing Standard/Normal, i.e. no longer Restricted. Shows C-85-12; 1/11/88 to Cloud Dancer Aviation, James Blick, Tucson, AZ; 8/26/88 to Tim B. Hunter, Tucson, AZ; 1/15/ on Cleveland wheels/brakes; 3/26/ on 12- gal fuel tank in each wing; 5/14/98 to Joe P. Higgins, Pawnee, OK; 7/24/00 to Peter J. Workum, Tempe, AZ; 12/17/ on installing O-200; 11/11/02 to North American Aircraft

6 Holdings, Phoenix, AZ; 9/10/10 lien by State of AZ for unpaid taxes, $370; 9/22/10 $42,830 lien for unpaid aircraft storage 11/1/07 t0 9/22/10 by Pleasant Valley Airport Associates; FAA Register, 11/6/12 as J3C-65 with C-85, Restricted, ag, expired 3/31/11; G G This was Father s, duster. The FAA register 11/6/12 lists it as a TG-8, canx 1949, deregistered, with Father as last owner. G N Sealed bids were received on 1/22/45, glider was at at Akron Airways, Municipal Airport, Akron, OH (AWSR 1/10/45). Have 10/12 FAA file on paper: 2/16/45 Bill of Sale from Defense Plant Corp, of the Reconstruction Finance Corp., for sale of this glider to Father for $313. It was located in Akron, OH; 3/6/45 App. for Regis.; 1/14/46 Regis. Cert.; 5/46 '337 on converting TG-8 glider fuselage to J3 fuselage; 7/31/47 Piedmont Aviation '337 on converting fuselage to crop duster, showing USAAF sn ; 8/14/47 '337, Weight & Balance Statement; '337 on conversion to crop duster, signed off 2/2/49, showing sn as G-116, and NC47049; 2/2/49 W&B and equipment list; 2/2/49 Operation Limitations, 2-pages. Dusting sulpher was not allowed because of the fire hazard; 2/2/49 Certificate of Airworthiness; 10/27/49 "Aircraft Status Change" form in the aircraft file says registration was cancelled because of an accident. It says "Washout 8/9/49." (The last FAA register info still shows it as a TG-8 even though it was modified to aircraft status. You need to scroll down when you search the register for N47049) G G G G G G G High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $ AWSR 2/21/45 - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA for $ AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, L. M. Sandlin, Miami, FL $57: AVSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Ludwig-Skyharbor Airport, St. Petersburg, FL, AWSR 1/10/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $ AWSR 2/21/45 - Awarded for $355 AWSR 1/31/45 - Sealed bid 1/4/45, George Canaday, East Greenbush, NY, $355: AWSR 1/10/45 - FAA 12/7/12 as J3C-65, Valid registration. The original Bill of Sale shows it as G-124, Army , which is out of sequence and G N46489 would be G-110. I'll use the Piper CN since all of its documents show that number but it might be logical to assume that the Army number would more likely be right and that a mistake was made in correlating it to the Piper number. FAA 11/2/12 file on CD: 3/27/45 Bill of Sale by Defense Plant Corp. of the RFC, NYC office, to Joseph Gloster (#3), Montgomeryville, PA for $130; 7/11/ by Herman E. Lever, Elkins Park, PA, on conversion to J3F-65 aircraft; 1/10/46 Mortgage document shows AC-176-B2, 65-HP Franklin; 1/11/46 to William H. Anderson, Horsham, PA, as a J-3, for $1,800; 7/11/46 Lehigh Aircraft Co., Allentown, PA W&B; 6/27/47 to Harold Henning, North Wales, PA for $1,000; 4/5/48 form shows Franklin 4AC-176-B2; 9/24/49 to Andrew L. Wallace, Philadelphia, PA; 2/25/50 to Richard L. E. Gardner, Pittsburgh, PA; 7/21/53 to to George J. Reder and George Glevanik, Irwin, PA; 11/17/55 regis. canx by CAA for nonresponse, reinstated 10/7/57; 8/23/57 to Harry Louis Guenther and Ray Elbert Lewis, Bradford, PA, registered as J3F-65; 9/28/ on conversion to Continental A-65; 11/17/58 to Ray Elbert Lewis, now a J3C-65; 8/9/60 to John H. Miller, DuBois, PA; 2/11/64 to Frederick G. Milliron, Reynoldsville, PA for $700; 8/9/64 to Robert Carnahan and Fred P. Graham, Prospect, PA; 6/7/65 to Robert W. Schlemmer, Wefford, PA; 7/19/66 to Ed Kastner, Elma, NY; 4/8/67 to Fred Matias, Apollo, PA; 6/21/71 FAA Order of Revocation on registration for nonresponse; 2/15/83 B.O.S. to Ed Kastner, Elma, NY; 5/13/86 Triennial Report from Mathias; 8/29/86 deregistered because Totally destroyed or scrapped. ; 3/23/99 to Greg Dart, Mayville, NY; 12/29/99 to John D. Tremper, East Hanover, NJ; G N Father s, only have Certificate of Ownership and Aircraft Registration - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, Research - High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $ AWSR 2/21/45 G N FAA 10/12 as J3F-65 with 4AC176B, expired G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, Valid G G G N88683 N High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $ AWSR 2/21/45 - FAA 10/12 as TG-8 glider, Valid (FAA CD) - FAA 1963, G-129 as N Offered for sale 2/3/45, at Aviation Activities Co., Sherman Field, Concord, CA AWSR 1/31/45

7 G Accident near Selma, AL 3/10/43 G N50028 G G FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid - 12/29/44 Awarded to Ray Wisenberg, Denver, CO, by Defense Plant Corp, Denver, CO for $310 AWSR 1/31/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Burlington Flying Service, Burlington, NC, $60.00 AWSR 2/21/45 G /29/44 Awarded to Central States Aircraft & Supply Co., Ogallala, NE, by Defense Plant Corp, Denver, CO for $350 AWSR 1/31/45 G G /20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AVSR 1/10/45 G G N50241 G G G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3F-65 with A-65, Valid G G N49611 G G G FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, sale reported, canx Sealed bid 1/22/45, at Dakota Aviation Co., Municipal Airport, Huron, SD - High bid 1/31/45, Harry Porter, Chattanooga, TN $150 AWSR 2/21/45 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with O-235, expired 9-11 (FAA CD) G /29/44 Awarded to Central States Aircraft & Supply Co. Ogallala, NE, by Defense Plant Corp, Denver, CO for $325 AWSR 1/31/45 G G G G High bid 1/31/45, Robert A. Seabourne, Sheffield, AR $41.50 AWSR 2/21/45 G N8482H - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, was Restricted, ag, terminated in 2012 G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, standard but ag, Valid (I have AK photo at Big Bear Lake)

8 G G G N49614 G G G G G N FAA 10/12 at J3C-65 with A-65, Valid G G G G FAA as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid (FAA CD) G Sealed bids 2/3/45, at Thunderbird Field II, Pheonix, AZ AWSR 1/31/45 N46305 G FAA register 11/7/12 shows N44D with valid registration as J3C-65 with C-85, Restricted, ag, N44D Have 10/12 FAA file on paper: 11/10/44 Bill of Sale from Defense Plant Corp, of the Reconstruction Finance Corp, NYC office, to Thomas Murchio, Paterson, NJ for $420; 6/1/ on conversion to J3C by Perri Aircrft Repair Service, Brunswick, NJ;5/14/51 by his estate to Edwin Mege Sr., Edwin Mege Jr., Pequannock, NJ, as a J-3; 1/21/52 to Albert E. Muys Jr., Sussex, NJ; 11/13/53 to John J. Dowd, Warwick, NY; He, as Dowd s Aero Dusting Service requested a smaller registration with this compelling argument. The reason is this. If I happen to damage a wing in the season, the lower number - - would be quicker to paint on another panel, which means much to a duster, especially with the farmers breathing down my neck. The CAA issued him N44D!; 6/15/ on conversion to duster with Whitaker Dust Unit; 5/1/55 337, installed C-85-12F, flight tested with special purpose load of #320; 5/6/61 337, recovered rear of fuselage from landing gear back. 9/15/61 337, installed O-235-C1 with PA-18 mount; 6/30/72 to John J. Dowd Jr, also of Warick, NY; 1/13/12 reregistered with Syracuse, KS address; G G G High bid 1/10/45, Joe Marrs, Miami, FL $276.00, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA AWSR 2/7/45 G N Canadian CF-RQV in 1976: FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with C-90, Valid G G N49618 G FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Revoked - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research - High bid 1/10/45, Lester Caplan, University City, MO $ AWSR 2/7/45 G High bid, Lester Caplan, University City, MO $ AWSR 2/7/45 G Sealed bids 2/3/45, at Thunderbird Field II, Pheonix, AZ AWSR 1/31/45 G

9 G G N FAA 10/12 as J-3C with A-C-75, Valid G FAA 11/7/12 as TG-8 Glider, valid registration. Have FAA file on paper, 10/12. Never certificated, several owners, always as a TG-8. G N Sealed bids received 1/31/45, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 1/24/45). 10/26/44, Bill of Sale, Defense Plant Corp., Atlanta, GA office, to John Stanley Lowe, Sarasota, FL for $413; Regis. Cert. 11/1/44; 5/20/85 to Paul R. Greenwood, Sarasota, FL; FAA General Aviation Activity and Avionics Survey in late 1980 s, says, Dismantled, out of service. Scrap. ; 8/17/88, FAA deregistered; 10/20/89 to Donald J. Wisler, Tampa, FL; 3/16/90 registration reinstated; 5/1/12 to Terry Brandt, Hood River, OR; 5/1/12 to Western Antique Aeroplane & Automobile Museum, Hood River, OR; G G G N46915 G G N49621 G G G G G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $54.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - FAA 10/12 as J-3 with C-85, revoked - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to C. Ray Smith, Florence, SC for $ AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, L. M. Sandlin, Miami, FL $57: AVSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Ludwig-Skyharbor Airport, St. Petersburg, FL, AWSR 1/10/45 - FAA 10/12 as J3L-65 with O-145B, Valid (FAA CD) - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $54.00 AWSR 2/21/45 G /20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AWSR 1/10/45 G G G G G G G G High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $54.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $54.00 AWSR 2/21/45 G Sealed bid 1/22/45, at Cincinnati Aircraft Service, Lunken Airport, Cincinnati, OH, AWSR 1/10/45 G G Awarded by DPC in Cincinnati to Rosco Magee, London, KY for $417 AWSR 1/24/45

10 G G Sealed bid 1/22/45, at Cincinnati Aircraft Service, Lunken Airport, Cincinnati, OH, AWSR 1/10/45 G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A65, Valid (FAA CD) G Sealed bids 2/17/45, at Thompson Flying Service, Salt Lake City, UT AWSR 2/7/45 G N46311 FAA 10/12 as J3F-65, canx, deregis G N49625 HB-OXD Swiss Register says J-3C-90, ex N Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G G /20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AWSR 1/10/45 G G G G G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3L-65, canx., deregis Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G G N49630 G G G G FAA 10/12 as 226, as TG-8 glider, with Franklin, revoked - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G Sealed bids 2/17/45, at Thompson Flying Service, Salt Lake City, UT AWSR 2/7/45 G G G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65,Valid (FAA CD) G G Sealed bids 2/17/45, at Thompson Flying Service, Salt Lake City, UT AWSR 2/7/45 G Sealed bids 2/17/45, at Thompson Flying Service, Salt Lake City, UT AWSR 2/7/45 G G Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to Kenneth Starns, Conway, AR for $ AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, W. R. Baker, Union City, TN $57: AWSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Gillepsie Field, Nashville, TN, AWSR 1/10/45

11 G G N49632 High bid 1/10/45, Joe Marrs, Miami, FL $301.00, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA AWSR 2/7/45 Have 11/12 FAA file on paper: Bill of Sale 1/22/45 from Defense Plant Corp., RFC Atlanta, GA agent, to Joe Marrs, Miami, FL for $301; 1/21/46 Marrs application for airworthiness as a J3F-65 with an AC4-176-B2, 337 says conversion in accordance with Piper Drawing J3-A-20; date of mfg. is 2/2/43; 9/18/46 owner Stengel Flying Service, Gainesville, GA added generator, battery, wiring, lights; 5/8/47 annual inspection for owner Walter Williams, Jacksonville, FL; 8/7/47 to Lema Corp, Jacksonville, FL as a J-3 Cub; 10/14/ on recover with Grade A and installation of A-65, now a J3C-65; 10/14/47 to Lincoln Flying Service, Jacksonville, FL; 3/24/49 inspection form shows Unairworthy ; 11/17/71 FAA registration revoked for non-response. FAA 10/12 register shows it as J3C-65, canx., deregis 2009 G G G G G G G N FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with O-290, Revoked - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, Research - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to Donald Dale Funk, West Memphis AR for $411 AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, Harry Porter, Lovell Field, Chattanooga, TN $12.50, AWSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Gillepsie Field, Nashville, TN, AWSR 1/10/45 - The 2/7/45 AWSR indicates that was sold surplus (below) Interesting TG-8 Information How many TG-8 s? - Various sites identify three additional gliders but nobody gives Piper Construction Numbers - Baugher says that USAAF thru were evaluated by USN as XLNP-1, but he also says that , , became USN BuNo thru for that purpose. See notes below. TG Piper Grasshopper (Cub), 3-seat glider trainer converion, 250 built - TG-8-PI: Piper Model J-3C-65 (same desig. as per powered O-59/L-4 series) - XLNP-1-3 TG-8-PI to US Navy (BuNo '427), later returned to USAAF -- Note: L-4s also used (power off) for gliding training (Atterbury AAFB) I found this somewhere but didn t note the source: The XLNP-1 is the Navy/USMC designation for the Army Piper TG-8 training glider. Three TG-8's were given to the Navy and two of those were sent to Marine Glider Group 71 for training and evaluation. The two originally went to MCAS Parris Island and then transferred to MCAS Eagle Mountain Lake. I highly suspect that only 250 TG-8 s were built and that the confusion arises from the three that went to the USN/USMC and then came back to the USAAF and were probably given a new military serial number. I ll bet that: - G became BuNo (Baugher), and then, if the numbers stayed in sequence, when returned to the USAAF. The FAA file shows that it was an XLNP-1 but shows it as , which weakens my argument. - G became BuNo (Baugher), and then when returned? - G became BuNo (Baugher), and then when returned? Per the AWSR 2/7/45 Joe Marrs was high bidder at $301, 1/10/45, at Bush Field. It would be very helpful if that aircraft had been certified and info could be gleaned from the FAA file.

12 TG-8 s that I can connect to my father, the late Chris D. Stoltzfus of Coatesville, PA: G N46914 he bought surplus and made a J3C-65 duster. I have ordered the FAA file. G According to the AWSR, he was high bidder at a price that was often being accepted G N49594 one of three that he sold to Karl Knight in Miami (don t know third one) G N49595 one of three that he sold to Karl Knight in Miami G N47049 He bought surplus and made a J3C-65 duster. I have the FAA file on CD. G According to the AWSR, he was high bidder at a price that was often being accepted G AWSR says awarded to Father, no further info G According to the AWSR, he was high bidder at a price that was often being accepted G N49598 Father s, I have Certificate of Ownership and Aircraft Registration - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, Research G According to the AWSR, he was high bidder at a price that was often being accepted N46916 His duster shown on his 1947 fleet photo but I can t identify it further A January 1945 ad in the Aviation War Surplus Record said: GLIDER, brand new Piper built $500. Be the first in your town to own a glider. Can be changed to powered plane. For further information write Box 509, Aviation War Surplus Record