July 2009 CAR No.77.

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1 Pullman Car Services Coupé News The Quality of Service is Remembered Long After The Price is Forgotten July 2009 CAR No.77. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 1 of 18

2 Cover Photograph BRB c/o Kevin Robertson: The Down working of the Birmingham Pullman enters Leamington Spa Station for its only passenger stop on its journey from London s Paddington to Birmingham Snow Hill. This image will appear within the forthcoming Blue Pullman Supplement which is due publication in September. Editorial: Welcome to Coupé News No: 77. This is your free newsletter of Pullman related news and material. My thanks to those readers who have supplied articles and images for inclusion within this edition. All I ask of you for the time I spend in production is for you to forward on, either by e mail or printing a copy, to any one you may know who will also be interested in reading about matters Pullman. Changing your address, or wish to be removed from the mailing list, then to the editorial address with your request, it s as simple as that. Also some readers do not receive copies as published for one reason or another, I do get bounce backs advising that an e mail address no longer exists or the mail box full. If by the 5 th of each month your copy fails to arrive, please the editorial address and I will forward to you the missing edition. The views and articles within this publication are not necessarily those of the editor. Information Required: I will welcome any information on the Pullman car located on your local preserved railway or in use as a static Restaurant, for inclusion within your Coupé News and the Pullman Car Services Archive. Information is for sharing not gathering dust.. If you have any material for inclusion in No.78, please forward by July 27 th Coupé News No.78 will be published on August 1 st Editorial Address: Terry Bye Pullman Car Services pullmancarservices@yahoo.co.uk Coupé News editions 1 to 76 and all Special Editions can be sourced at: Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 2 of 18

3 We remember the Pullman car that was allocated the same schedule number as this edition of Coupé News. Type of Car: Buffet First. Into Service: 1897 for South Eastern Railway. Original Builder: Metropolitan Railway Carriage & Wagon Company, Birmingham. Pre 1960 Schedule No: 77. Post 1960 Schedule No: 84. Name: DORA Rebuild: Pullman Car Company at Longhedge Works. Type of Car: Parlour. Into Service: November Tare: 30 1 / 2 t. Covers: 20. Formerly South Eastern Railway No.202 of Stopped: June 1 st Condemned: November 1 st Written Off by the P.C.Co: September 30 th Grounded body, Selsey, near Chichester, West Sussex. Free Newsletters and Magazines: MRE Mag. Model Railway Express Britain's leading FREE online magazine for railway modelers with thrice weekly news and readers' discussion. Also, model and book reviews, classified ads, etc. Over 1,000 readers and published every Monday, Wednesday & Friday by Pat Hammond. Visit for further detail and information. RAILDATE. The weekly newsletter produced and also published by Howard Sprenger of the Hursley Park Model Railway Society every Friday covering general railway subjects with links to sites for further information visit: Where you can sign up to access the weekly newsletter. RAILWAY HERALD. Railway Herald is a colour magazine that covers today s railway scene in the UK. Please note this magazine has been updated into a new format, I recommend if you have yet to view this magazine you do so now. Visit for further detail and information. RAIL MANAGEMENT. A weekly magazine with a varied subject matter covering aspects of today s railway operations. To join the readership just send an to sim.harris@keepingtrack.co.uk and put ADD in the message line. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 3 of 18

4 Coupé News Passengers Reservations List. 225 x Regular First Class Passengers. 3 x Web Sites Passenger Numbers Unknown. Welcome aboard to the following joining passengers: B.Roger, N.Marshall, S.Adby, J.Ariss. Look Back At Pullman: 1884 July 125 Years Ago: July 31 st. The Dover Pullman Car Boat Train Express service is withdrawn. Introduced on July 1 st Pullman car JUPITER is transferred to the LB&SR. Pullmans did not return to Boat Train operations until (J.Morel) July 80 Years Ago: July 8 th. July 8 th. July. The Pullman Car Company take over Restaurant Car Services on both the day time Flushing Boat Trains and the evening Antwerp Continental. Using Third Class Kitchens and two First Class Parlour cars and three Second Class Pullman Restaurants for these services. (Railway World 7/78). Inaugural Great Western Railway Torquay Pullman with eight Pullman cars operating from London Paddington to Paignton and return. Also Pullman cars available for Plymouth to Paddington Boat Trains. (J.Morel and the Railway Magazine June & July 1929). Experimental Train on Southern Railway. Consisiting of 2 x EMU s with two (steam) Pullman cars in the middle, with jumper cables laid through the Pullman cars. Believed to be an experiment with an eye to The Derby race traffic. (Railway Magazine July 1929) July 35 Years Ago: July. Mk 1 Pullman car E320 STORK Kitchen First is noted within the formation of the Inverness to York Motorail service. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 4 of 18

5 PULLMAN WORKINGS WITH LNER Pacific s Tommy Knox. I detail below identified June LNER Pacific Locomotive working of Pullman services. July years ago 12st July Mallard Dn Yorkshire Pullman Prince of Wales Dn Queen of Scots from Kings Cross Leeds Spearmint Dn Queen of Scots from Leeds Glasgow V (60812) Up Queen of Scots (load 7 on) from Glasgow Leeds Centenary Up Queen of Scots from Leeds Kings Cross 23rd July Flying Scotsman Dn Harrogate Sunday Pullman Centenary Up Harrogate Sunday Pullman July year ago 30th July Minoru Dn Queen of Scots from Kings Cross Leeds Gainsborough Up Queen of Scots from Newcastle Leeds Foxhunter Up Queen of Scots from Leeds Kings Cross 23rd July Robert the Devil Up Yorkshire Pullman W P Allen Dn Yorkshire Pullman 26th July North Eastern Up and Dn Tees Tyne Pullman July years ago 11th July Archibald Sturrock Dn Queen of Scots from Kings Cross Leeds Gainsborough Up Queen of Scots from Leeds Newcastle Harvestor Up Queen of Scots from Newcastle Leeds Pommern Up Queen of Scots from Leeds Kings Cross Merry Hampton Dn Yorkshire Pullman Osprey Up Yorkshire Pullman 28th July Andrew K McCosh Up Tees Tyne Pullman Mineru Dn Tees Tyne Pullman 26th July Pommern Dn Harrogate Sunday Pullman My thanks to Tommy for sharing the above information with us. Tommy has kindly agreed to produce a review on a monthly. Why not take this opportunity to view Tommy s web site at pacifics.me.uk Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 5 of 18

6 Final Call Hartlepool Model Rail Group Hartlepool Model Rail Exhibition Saturday July 11th & Sunday July 12th 2009 The Wynyard Rooms, Wynyard Park, Cleveland TS22 5TB OPENING TIMES: Saturday Sunday ADMISSION: Adults 5.00, Concessions 3.50, Children 3.50 & Family This is the fourth year for this event and the second at this venue, which is now firmly established on the model rail exhibition circuit. List of Layouts Attending : Thurston 00 Gauge 22ft x 12ft Ely & District MRC East Ranford 00 Gauge 35ft x 12ft Cleethorpes Model Railway Society Law Junction N Gauge 28ft x 8ft East Neuk Model Railway Club Ecclesford Junction 00 Gauge 20ft x 9ft Pendle Forest MRS Uppingham EM Gauge 27ft x 3ft Peter Simmerson/Martin Smith Brigami P4 Gauge 22ft x 9ft David Bywater West Harptree 3mm 15ft x 5ft Mike Corp Bristol Longcarse West P4 12ft x 4ft David Furmage Marlton Original Hornby Dublo 8ft x 5ft Richard Macey Shelby West N 10ft x 5ft Peter Jarvis Saltburn (Debut Show) N 28ft x 6ft David Leytjbridge Ghylldale OO9 10ft x 3ft John Varley Helmstadt N 13ft x4ft Perth & District MRC 6 further layouts awaiting confirmation. List of Traders Attending : Stainmore Railway Co Ltd (Society), J & J Models Morpeth, Going Loco Wakefield, Trams and Trains Fleetwood, K & M Models Worksop, DE Video & DC Kits Leeds, P & H Models Branwell, Contikits Ryton, Digitrains Lincoln, Weardale Loco Pres.Society Ltd Stanhope The Model Depot Armley, MRSG Grantham, Hornby Model Railways, N gauge Lines Cranbrooke, Hornby Magazine, Plus others. The event is being sponsored by Hornby Magazine. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 6 of 18

7 AQUILA Plea for Assistance Brian Smith. Many thanks for Coupe News, as the readers will be aware we have had for some years two Pullman cars these being AQUILA & CAR No.36. Both cars have been used for many educational events, wine and dine and Santa trains. Car AQUILA is in now need of some urgent restoration work. The support pillars plus the car end, surrounding one of her doors is suffering from wet rot and needs replacing. We have skilled labour but need to know if any reader can help us with any drawings or information on how she was constructed. We are planning to commence the restoration work on her later this year, I would appreciate any help you can give. Brian Smith General / Commercial Manager Colne Valley Railway Yeldham Road Castle Hedingham Essex CO9 3DZ Telephone Schedule No.305 First Class Kitchen car AQUILA as new at the BC&WCo Works in Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 7 of 18

8 Photograph/Image Information Ron Hann. I have to say that I concur wholeheartedly with your comments regarding the identification of photographs/images. I'm sure that all my friends and relatives must be getting heartily sick of my harping, but I am constantly impressing upon them the necessity of identifying every image in one's collection. Having said that, of course, I have to admit to having been hoist with my own petard in this regard. I have just turned 70 years of age and have been taking photographs for about 55 of those years. Unfortunately, and especially in my earlier days, I have at times neglected to obey my own edicts with the result that my current project is to go through all of my photographs and ensure that there is at least some form of identification, even if only minimal, on each and every one. It is very handy to be able relate the negatives to the prints, too. All of my negatives are identified, in some way, and, as far as possible, this number is recorded on the print. It is my ultimate aim (I should live that long) to develop a sort of spread sheet, or other form of cross referencing system, in which every relevant detail of every print and negative are matched up in such a way that a reasonably efficient way can be developed of finding any image(s) based on negative, print, date, subject, location, etc., fairly promptly. I do a reasonable amount of writing of articles for an Australian rail fan magazine and the need to be able to find whatever I want is sometime fairly urgent. Of course, I realise that the "perfect" system either doesn't exist or would be so cumbersome as to be useless. Oh, to be able to handle one of these machines efficiently and some of the newer programmes, as well. May I also remind your readers of the absolute necessity of ensuring that one's wishes regarding such items, and in fact any items, are expressly and clearly spelled out in one's Will. It saves an awful lot of tears and embarrassment later on. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 8 of 18

9 Mike Morant Pullman Collection. c Dr. Ian C. Allen/Mike Morant Collection The details with with regard to the above photograph refers as Drummond T9 No. 300 hauling a down Eastbourne Pullman train on the Quarry Line in the 1930's. Personally, I think it had come via the Quarry Line but the shot is probably taken nearer Horley where Dr. Ian C. Allen seems to have taken many of his pictures. The train itself is of interest because there seems to be little mention of an Eastbourne Pullman in books, magazines and on the web other than the fact that a 5 BEL used to run such a service on Sundays only. However, I'm sure that there was an Eastbourne Limited back in steam days and this seems to prove the point. M.A.Morant Photographic Collection. Visit Mike s website to view a superb photographic collection at Print Size: Per Print: 4 x x / 4 x 11 3 / 4 (A4) 3.50 Postage & Packing for orders under Send requests to michaelamorant@aol.com Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 9 of 18

10 Publication Update Kevin Robertson. The Blue Pullman Supplement is now 88 pages and will be 14.95, and will be published in September. New material, including different construction views have been received so the decision to increase the page count to include these, also the amount of colour material both form the early and later days will also be included. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 10 of 18

11 Flying Scotsman North America Tour Jim Baldwin. I am writing a book on Flying Scotsman and am very interested in the train that it took to North America. I have information on the Pullman Cars, but sadly information is lacking on the exhibition coaches. Has any reader any information from previous publications that would throw light on these carriages? I am aware that they were fitted out at Twickenham, but do you know where they were painted in Pullman livery etc. I am also interested in their final resting place; any help any way will be most welcome. Responses: Robert Carroll via Yahoo Group BR Coaching Stock BR Loco Hauled Coaching Stock This information was spotted by Mark Jenkins in August 1969 Railway World, page 374: "Six of the vehicles forming the Flying Scotsman tour train to America have been parked in Twickenham down siding during June and July while a local firm of exhibition contractors fit out the interiors for trade displays. The coaches, which comprise two Gresley full brakes Nos and 70758, Thompson full brakes Nos 70632, and 104, and the privately preserved former Devon Belle observation car No.SC281, have been repainted in Pullman livery and the full brakes bear the American flag and the Union flag at the coach ends." The Brighton Belle Project. My thanks to Keith Gunner and Frank Nicholas for advising of the web site now set up to advise on the projects progression and how you can help. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 11 of 18

12 Request re Golden Arrow U Class Pullman Car Seating Upholstery Derek Wilde In reply to Derek s request as detailed within the June edition. The following response has been received from Pat O Connor (current owner of ARIES). Regarding Derek Wilde's query re ARIES and Car No 303. The main structural difference seems to have been siting of the lavatory. Within car ARIES it is at the coupe end and on the coupe side ; within Car No 303 the lavatory is at the same end (away from the kitchen) but on the opposite side. Car No 303 also had 2+1 seating. I attach two images of the interior of ARIES, courtesy of Doug Lindsay, which clearly show the 1st class seating. A picture of the interior of Car No 303 appears in R W Kidner's 'Pullmans on the Southern' (Oakwood Press 1987) and this too was provided by Doug Lindsay. (Above & Below) cdoug Lindsay Interior of the ARIES. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 12 of 18

13 cdoug Lindsay. The Interior of one of the two saloon areas within CAR No.303 Response from Richard Salmon. Indeed a variety of moquettes would have been used, but certainly the Bluebell Railways Pullman Car 64 had the attached third class moquette (which we have had reproduced for the car's refurbishment) see Dave Clarke's photo: interior This moquette was also used in the 1951 Golden Arrow refurbishment of Car 35, which was remodelled as Second Class, as seen in Plate 148 of B.Haresnape's book Pullman Travelling in Style. For first class, maybe the attached fleur de lis pattern would be appropriate. This sample, obtained from Eastleigh, would appear, from Haresnape's Pullman book plate 142 to be amongst other uses, the moquette used to trim the Trianon Bar perch seats in the 1951 Golden Arrow car Pegasus. The attached photo of the chairs are some sold on e bay some time ago, confirming use in other firstclass cars. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 13 of 18

14 cr.salmon. (Above & Below) First Class fleur de lis pattern cr.salmon. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 14 of 18

15 cr.salmon. (Above) The Bluebell Railways Pullman Car No.64 had the above third class moquette THE PULLMAN SOCIETY The Society is dedicated to the study of all aspects of Pullman operations in the British isles and Continental Europe and in the United States, where the first cars were built and services began. The society journal The Golden Way is published three times a year For further details including Membership please contact Alan Wood awood17166@aol.com Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 15 of 18

16 Update 1979 June 30 Years Ago Raymond Watson: June 23 rd. Noted within the formation of the 05.50am Kings Cross to Edinburgh hauled by Class 55 Deltics and is Mk1 Pullman car E312 FALCON ( II) in the reverse BR Corporate livery for East Coast Pullman cars of Grey/Blue livery. (MRPNo.5). Raymond has advised some additional information to the above as recorded last month (Issue 76) The usual one class 55 Deltic working a down 05:50 KX Edinburgh (diverted via Carlisle) was hauled by Class 55 Deltic No CREPELLO. This was supplemented from Doncaster to Darlington with the addition of Class 55 No FIFE & FOFAR YEOMANRY, which was ex works and used this service working as a test working. In addition to the a single Pullman car E312 FALCON which was behind the locomotive with 8 x BR Mk2 coaches made up the trains formation from Kings Cross to Edinburgh. The Pullman car was locked out of service to passengers. It was noted that CREPELLO worked back on a rake of BR Mk1 coaches and was failed heading South over Beattock Summit on the West Coast Mainline (Diversion). It was supplemented at Carlisle by Class 47 No Archive BBC Film Footage Andy Bishop. Many thanks Terry for the latest edition of Coupe News, another fantastic publication. Fellow readers may be interested in some Pullman clips included in this archive BBC footage. Hornby Dublo & Wren Pullman Cars & Brighton Belle Models M.Hammond. Thank you for Coupe News. I am hoping to write an article on the Hornby Dublo & Wrenn Pullmans and Brighton Belle sets by Wrenn for the Hornby Collectors Association. I believe with regard to fellow readers of Coupe News that it would be also useful to them also. An observations with regard to the Hornby Dublo model of car ARIES, the real Pullman car was fitted with Gresley bogies, but the model was fitted with LMS type. As for new names, these were made by Wrenn and are still available from the new owners of Wrenn via their web site. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 16 of 18

17 cderek Everson c/o Kevin Robertson An unusual photograph displaying the vestibule end of one of the Blue Pullman cars This image will appear within the forthcoming Blue Pullman Supplement that is due publication in September. Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 17 of 18

18 Tail Lamp. My thanks to the following readers who have taken time to contribute to this edition of Coupé News in the form of , news, articles and photographs, these include T.Knox, T.Mulligan, R.Watson, K. Robertson, D.Everson, M.Hammond, A.Bishop, P.O Connor, R.Hann, B.Smith, R.Salmon. Without your contributions Gentlemen this edition would have been much the poorer. It seems some time now since the June edition was completed and forwarded to you. In the period between the publication of the June and this edition I have received some interesting material for inclusion in the form of news and photographs. To be precise quite a bit, and really too much to place within this edition, even after pdf formatting the attachment size, it is still fairly large, and as I have promised to keep the attachment size to a reasonable level for you to down load, I have made the following decision. As the amount of material for inclusion is of great interest and I have no wish to delay advising you on what has been going on during June, I have decided to produce an Extra July edition for you, and this will be ed to you on July 2nd. Remember Information is for Sharing Not gathering Dust. T.Bye PCS July 1 st Coupé News No. 77 July 2009 Page 18 of 18