Piper TG-8 Gliders Ken Stoltzfus database, 11/26/12

Piper TG-8 Gliders Ken Stoltzfus database, 11/26/12 Notes: - Father is my dad, the late Chris D. Stoltzfus, of Coatesville, PA, 1913-1981 - AWSR is the Aviation War Surplus Record. It had lots of info on surplus sales and I have info below from some copies that were Father s - Information is gathered from various sources and I am not responsible for its accuracy. - FAA files are incomplete at best. - Information I gathered from FAA files is only partial and does not always include all pertinent information. It is given for casual, non-technical and non-legal use only. Disclaimer Piper CN Mil. SN FAA Info G-1 43-3009 N46490 FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, deregis '56, exp. to Germany (Is it: TG-8 43-3009, to J-3F65 N46490, D-EMUG, (OY-EFM), OY-EEE. Piper L-4 cn 9106 was converted to a glider, and after the war back to a J-3. - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, CD G-2 43-3010 - Sealed bids 1/29/45, at Akron Airways, Inc., Municipal Airport, Akron, OH AWSR 1/24/45 G-3 43-3011 N49500 Have 11/2/12 FAA file on CD. FAA register 11/7/12 shows valid registration as J3C-65S with C-90. On 1/10/45, my father, Chris. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA was high bidder at $54.10 (AWSR 2/7/45). Sealed bids again 1/31/45, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 1/24/45), high bid Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC at $56.00 (AWSR 2/21/45). From 11/2/12 FAA file: 6/9/45 Bill of Sale from Reconstruction Finance Corp., Atlanta, GA office, to William S. Wood Jr., Phoenix, AZ for $350; 2/5/47 337 on conversion to J3C-65. The front seat was removed and a standard J-3 front end with engine mount attach points welded in. 2/5/47 337, splices to a spar in each wing; 2/8/47 application for Airworthiness Certificate as J3C-65 shows date of mgs. as 8/25/42; 4/8/47 337 on repairs from apparent groundloop; 4/15/48, 6/49 annual inspection reports; 2/50 337 on installing C-85-12 and Edo 60-1320 floats, now called a J3C-65S; 2/50 337 on replacing cabin top window with hinged hatch; 10/27/55 letter from CAA to Wood, in El Centro, CA, seeking info on status of aircraft; 11/10/55 returned unclaimed, CAA canx registration; 2/74, fascinating, impassioned letter from Bob Turner re his 8/72 purchase of aircraft from Bob Northcutt for $250. He says, The aircraft exists (sort of),1/2 fuselage, a few rusty tail feathers and steel parts from the wings. 5/28/90 sold to Clifford E. Beers, Fountain Hills, AZ as J3C-65S; Aircraft obviously restored, 2/92 337 s show C-90-12, wing tanks, Cleveland wheels/brakes Stits cover and more; 4/1/92 new Standard Airworthiness Certificate; 6/23/99 to BB&S Flying, Fountain Hills, AZ; 10/99 337 s on repairs to left wing, new crankshaft; 1/8/05 to Clifford E. Beers, Patte A. Beers; 1/26/12 to Wolford Sales & Leasing, Abingdon, IL. G-4 43-3012 G-5 43-3013 G-6 43-3014 G-7 43-3015 G-8 43-3016 G-9 43-3017 N46318 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, revoked - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G-10 43-3018 G-11 43-3019 G-12 43-3020 G-13 43-3021 G-14 43-3022 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, H. W. King, Orangeburg, SC $76.00 AWSR 2/7/45 G-15 43-3023 - 1/20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AWSR 1/10/45 G-16 43-3024 N46488 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, revoked

G-17 43-3025 G-18 43-3026 G-19 43-3027 G-20 43-3028 G-21 43-3029 G-22 43-3030 G-23 43-3031 G-24 43-3032 G-25 43-3033 G-26 43-3034 G-27 43-3035 G-28 43-3036 G-29 43-3037 G-30 43-3038 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, H. W. King, Orangeburg, SC $76.00 AWSR 2/7/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $56.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $42.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, John Syrel, Orangeburg, SC $121.00 AWSR 2/7/45 (Syrek?) G-31 43-3039 N46471 - FAA 10/12 as J3L-65 with O-145, expired 6-11 (FAA $8.60) G-32 43-3040 - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to Kenneth Starns, Conway, AR for $401.40 AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, Harry Porter, Lovell Field, Chattanooga, TN $125: AWSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Gillepsie Field, Nashville, TN, AWSR 1/10/45 G-33 43-3041 - 1/20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AWSR 1/10/45 G-34 43-3042 G-35 43-3043 G-36 43-3044 G-37 43-3045 N49583, N18EH - High bid 1/31/45, Arthur Corry, Quincy, FL $251.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - Sealed bids 1/31/45, at Souther Field, Americus, GA AWSR 1/24/45 - FAA 63 as N49583: FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with C90, Restricted, regis 2000, valid (FAA $9.40) - High bid 1/10/45, H. W. King, Orangeburg, SC $76.00 AWSR 2/7/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $42.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $54.10 AWSR 2/7/45

G-38 43-3046 G-39 43-3047 G-40 43-3048 G-41 43-3049 - Accident at Bates Field, AL 2/3/43 G-42 43-3050 G-43 43-3051 G-44 43-3052 G-45 43-3053 G-46 43-3054 G-47 43-3055 - Accident at Bates Field, AL 11/12/42 G-48 43-3056 G-49 43-3057 G-50 43-3058 G-51 43-3059 G-52 43-3060 N46314 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, expired, deregistered 7-12 G-53 43-3061 G-54 43-3062 G-55 43-3063 G-56 43-3064 G-57 43-3065 - Baugher: To USN as XLNP-1 BuNo36425 G-58 43-3066 G-59 43-3067 G-60 43-3068 G-61 43-3069 N49451 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, canx 1952 - Accident at Bates Field, AL 2/7/43 G-62 43-3070 - Baugher: To USN as XLNP-1 BuNo36426 G-63 43-3071 G-64 43-3072 G-65 43-3073 G-66 43-3074 FAA file on CD 11/2/12 shows it was a Navy XLNP-1, but gives sn as 43-3075. Baugher says it was BuNo 36427. See notes at bottom. G-67 43-3075 N58462 FAA Register11/6/12 shows valid registration as J3C-65 with A&C/75. 1/5/45 Bill of Sale, Defense Plant Corp, NYC NY office, Piper Glider XLNP-1 (TG-8), Mfg. sn G-67, Ident No. 43-3075, to Thor Solberg, Whitehouse, NJ for $350; 12/24/45 B.O.S. to Marshall Hall, Pine Grove, PA, as glider, shows date of mfg. as 10/27/42; 12/24/45 337 on conversion to J3L. Says TG8 front end cut off. A good L4 front end was welded on. An O-145-A2 was installed; 3/6/48 Form ACA-305 says date of mfg. as 10/27/42; 4/16/48 to Harry Williamson, Lebanon, PA as J3L-65, for $750; 9/8/48 to John A. VanSant, Old Star Airport Langhorne, PA; 5/16/49 to William J. Robinson, Philadelphia, PA; 12/17/49 to Milton E. Bassett, William C. Casten, Zigmond J. Puzycki, Donald R. Bauer, Merchantville, NJ; 7/15/50 337, installed Lycoming O-145-B2; 11/50 to William Geisenheimer, Marlton, NJ; 1/30/53 to Claude Gibson, Mapleshade, NJ; 6/1/54 to Earl S. Sharples, Moorestown, NJ; 7/30/54 to Robert W. Cooper, Paul S. Cooper, Williamstown, NJ; 9/25/59 to Albert C. Lewis, Williamstown, NJ; 10/10/59 to Cirrus Flying Club, Drexil Hill, PA; 6/27/60 to Paramount Air Service, Camden, NJ; 7/25/60 337 on installing Continental C-75-12; 8/1/60 337, installed banner tow hitch;.

G-68 43-3076 G-69 43-3077 G-70 43-3078 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $42.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, William Vogel, LaSalle IL $210 AWSR 2/7/45 - Accident at Bates Field, AL 12/03/42 G-71 43-3079 - Sealed bid 1/22/45, at Lysdale Flying Service, Victory Airport, Minneapolis, MN, AWSR 1/10/45 G-72 43-3080 G-73 43-3081 N46304 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid G-74 43-3082 G-75 43-3083 G-76 43-3084 N48311 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid G-77 43-3085 G-78 43-3086 G-79 43-3087 G-80 43-3088 G-81 43-3089 G-82 43-3090 N9726H G-83 43-3091 G-84 43-3092 G-85 43-3093 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with C-85, Valid G-86 43-3094 N48682 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid (FAA CD) G-87 43-3095 N46914 G-88 43-3096 G-89 43-3097 G-90 43-3098 G-91 43-3099 N49586 G-92 43-3100 G-93 43-3101 G-94 43-3102 - Father s duster, I have 337 s, ops limits - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, Research - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA for $313.30 AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, L. M. Sandlin, Miami, FL $36: AVSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Ludwig-Skyharbor Airport, St. Petersburg, FL, AWSR 1/10/45 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Restricted, Revoked - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research - High bid 1/31/45, Burlington Flying Service, Burlington, NC, $60.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, John Syrek, Orangeburg, SC $121.00 AWSR 2/7/45 (Syrel?) - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $42.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/10/45, William Vogel, LaSalle IL $210 AWSR 2/7/45

G-95 43-3103 N46286 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with O-235, Restricted, banners, Valid Paramount, NJ G-96 43-3104 - 1/20/45 Bid, at Gillespie Airways, Nashville, TN. Ernest W. Colbert, Nashville, TN $411: AWSR 1/10/45 G-97 43-3105 G-98 43-3106 G-99 43-3107 N48312 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, canx, deregis. 1975 G-100 43-3108 G-101 43-3109 G-102 43-3110 G-103 43-3111 - Canadian J3F-65 CF-OYD is cn 103. Maybe G-103? G-104 43-3112 - High bid, Lester Caplan, University City, MO $317.00 AWSR 2/7/45 G-105 43-3113 N46917 G-106 43-3114 G-107 43-3115 G-108 43-3116 G-109 43-3117 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, canx, deregis. 1980 (FAA CD) - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to C. Ray Smith, Florence, SC for $375.00 AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, L. M. Sandlin, Miami, FL $36: AVSR 1/10/45 - Offered for sale on 1/17/45, disassembled at Ludwig-Skyharbor Airport, St. Petersburg, FL, AWSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 - Sealed bids 3/21/45 AWSR 3/14/45 G-110 43-3118 See G-124, which was identified as G-124, 43-3118 when originally sold. G-111 43-3119 - High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $324.60 AWSR 2/21/45 G-112 43-3120 N49594 High bid 1/10/45, Joe Marrs, Miami, FL $201.00, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 2/7/45); Sealed bids 1/31/45, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 1/24/45); High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $326.60 (AWSR 2/21/45); 6/12/45 letter in my file says Father sold it to Karl Knight, Aircraft Manufacturing & Sales Co., Miami, FL, who converted it to a J-3 duster; FAA 63 register says Grenada Air Service, Grenada, MS, O-235: Not on 11/7/12 FAA: - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G-113 43-3121 N49595 Have 11/2/12 FAA file on CD. FAA register 11/7/12 shows J3C-65 with C-85, registration expired 3/31/11. Father bought it surplus and sold it to Karl Knight in Miami. (see above) Pre-FAA history: High bid 1/10/45, Joe Marrs, Miami, FL $201.00, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 2/7/45); Sealed bids 1/31/45, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 1/24/45); High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $326.60 (AWSR 2/21/45); From 11/2/12 FAA file: 2/19/45 Bill of Sale, Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta GA office, to Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA for $326.60; 2/19/45 to CDS; 4/17/45 to Karl Knight, Miami, FL; 7/2/45 regis to Knight; BOS 6/5/45 to Jim Roberts, Chester, SC, as J3C; 7/6/45 Karl Knight 337 on conversion to airplane, and to duster; Converted to Piper J3C IAW Approval #691 from Army TG-8 Glider by W. L. DeShazo, Miami, 7/10/45. 4/4/46 regis to Jim Roberts, Ft. Pierce, FL; 3/11/46 to George W. Carr, Lumberton, SC for $2250; 5/16/49 337 on conversion to C-85, with Koppers Aeromatic prop; 7/8/52 to J. G. David, Bishopville, SC; 8/7/54 to William L. Horn Jr., Cheraw, SC; 11/29/54 to Edward F. Wilson and Joseph W. Gibson, Fort Myers, FL; 2/28/56 to Joseph P. Brown, Immokalee, FL; 9/17/69 conversion to Lycoming O-235; 1973 Regis canx, later reinstated; 9/10/86 to Owen Waggoner, Ft. Myers, FL; 8/8/87 AW Cert showing Standard/Normal, i.e. no longer Restricted. Shows C-85-12; 1/11/88 to Cloud Dancer Aviation, James Blick, Tucson, AZ; 8/26/88 to Tim B. Hunter, Tucson, AZ; 1/15/90 337 on Cleveland wheels/brakes; 3/26/97 337 on 12- gal fuel tank in each wing; 5/14/98 to Joe P. Higgins, Pawnee, OK; 7/24/00 to Peter J. Workum, Tempe, AZ; 12/17/01 337 on installing O-200; 11/11/02 to North American Aircraft

Holdings, Phoenix, AZ; 9/10/10 lien by State of AZ for unpaid taxes, $370; 9/22/10 $42,830 lien for unpaid aircraft storage 11/1/07 t0 9/22/10 by Pleasant Valley Airport Associates; FAA Register, 11/6/12 as J3C-65 with C-85, Restricted, ag, expired 3/31/11; G-114 43-3122 G-115 43-3123 - This was Father s, duster. The FAA register 11/6/12 lists it as a TG-8, canx 1949, deregistered, with Father as last owner. G-116 43-3124 N47049 - Sealed bids were received on 1/22/45, glider was at at Akron Airways, Municipal Airport, Akron, OH (AWSR 1/10/45). Have 10/12 FAA file on paper: 2/16/45 Bill of Sale from Defense Plant Corp, of the Reconstruction Finance Corp., for sale of this glider to Father for $313. It was located in Akron, OH; 3/6/45 App. for Regis.; 1/14/46 Regis. Cert.; 5/46 '337 on converting TG-8 glider fuselage to J3 fuselage; 7/31/47 Piedmont Aviation '337 on converting fuselage to crop duster, showing USAAF sn 43-3124; 8/14/47 '337, Weight & Balance Statement; '337 on conversion to crop duster, signed off 2/2/49, showing sn as G-116, and NC47049; 2/2/49 W&B and equipment list; 2/2/49 Operation Limitations, 2-pages. Dusting sulpher was not allowed because of the fire hazard; 2/2/49 Certificate of Airworthiness; 10/27/49 "Aircraft Status Change" form in the aircraft file says registration was cancelled because of an accident. It says "Washout 8/9/49." (The last FAA register info still shows it as a TG-8 even though it was modified to aircraft status. You need to scroll down when you search the register for N47049) G-117 43-3125 G-118 43-3126 G-119 43-3127 G-120 43-3128 G-121 43-3129 G-122 43-3130 G-123 43-3131 - High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $326.60 AWSR 2/21/45 - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to C. D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA for $313.30 AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, L. M. Sandlin, Miami, FL $57: AVSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Ludwig-Skyharbor Airport, St. Petersburg, FL, AWSR 1/10/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $326.60 AWSR 2/21/45 - Awarded for $355 AWSR 1/31/45 - Sealed bid 1/4/45, George Canaday, East Greenbush, NY, $355: AWSR 1/10/45 - FAA 12/7/12 as J3C-65, Valid registration. The original Bill of Sale shows it as G-124, Army 43-3118, which is out of sequence and G-124 43-3132 N46489 would be G-110. I'll use the Piper CN since all of its documents show that number but it might be logical to assume that the Army number would more likely be right and that a mistake was made in correlating it to the Piper number. FAA 11/2/12 file on CD: 3/27/45 Bill of Sale by Defense Plant Corp. of the RFC, NYC office, to Joseph Gloster (#3), Montgomeryville, PA for $130; 7/11/45 337 by Herman E. Lever, Elkins Park, PA, on conversion to J3F-65 aircraft; 1/10/46 Mortgage document shows AC-176-B2, 65-HP Franklin; 1/11/46 to William H. Anderson, Horsham, PA, as a J-3, for $1,800; 7/11/46 Lehigh Aircraft Co., Allentown, PA W&B; 6/27/47 to Harold Henning, North Wales, PA for $1,000; 4/5/48 form shows Franklin 4AC-176-B2; 9/24/49 to Andrew L. Wallace, Philadelphia, PA; 2/25/50 to Richard L. E. Gardner, Pittsburgh, PA; 7/21/53 to to George J. Reder and George Glevanik, Irwin, PA; 11/17/55 regis. canx by CAA for nonresponse, reinstated 10/7/57; 8/23/57 to Harry Louis Guenther and Ray Elbert Lewis, Bradford, PA, registered as J3F-65; 9/28/57 337 on conversion to Continental A-65; 11/17/58 to Ray Elbert Lewis, now a J3C-65; 8/9/60 to John H. Miller, DuBois, PA; 2/11/64 to Frederick G. Milliron, Reynoldsville, PA for $700; 8/9/64 to Robert Carnahan and Fred P. Graham, Prospect, PA; 6/7/65 to Robert W. Schlemmer, Wefford, PA; 7/19/66 to Ed Kastner, Elma, NY; 4/8/67 to Fred Matias, Apollo, PA; 6/21/71 FAA Order of Revocation on registration for nonresponse; 2/15/83 B.O.S. to Ed Kastner, Elma, NY; 5/13/86 Triennial Report from Mathias; 8/29/86 deregistered because Totally destroyed or scrapped. ; 3/23/99 to Greg Dart, Mayville, NY; 12/29/99 to John D. Tremper, East Hanover, NJ; G-125 43-3133 N49598 - Father s, only have Certificate of Ownership and Aircraft Registration - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, Research - High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $326.60 AWSR 2/21/45 G-126 43-3134 N62422 - FAA 10/12 as J3F-65 with 4AC176B, expired 9-30-12 G-127 43-3135 N59498 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, Valid G-128 43-3136 G-129 43-3137 G-130 43-3138 N88683 N48683 - High bid 1/31/45, Chris D. Stoltzfus, Coatesville, PA $313.30 AWSR 2/21/45 - FAA 10/12 as TG-8 glider, Valid (FAA CD) - FAA 1963, G-129 as N48683 - Offered for sale 2/3/45, at Aviation Activities Co., Sherman Field, Concord, CA AWSR 1/31/45

G-131 43-3139 - Accident near Selma, AL 3/10/43 G-132 43-3140 N50028 G-133 43-3141 G-134 43-3142 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid - 12/29/44 Awarded to Ray Wisenberg, Denver, CO, by Defense Plant Corp, Denver, CO for $310 AWSR 1/31/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Burlington Flying Service, Burlington, NC, $60.00 AWSR 2/21/45 G-135 43-3143 - 12/29/44 Awarded to Central States Aircraft & Supply Co., Ogallala, NE, by Defense Plant Corp, Denver, CO for $350 AWSR 1/31/45 G-136 43-3144 G-137 43-3145 - 1/20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AVSR 1/10/45 G-138 43-3146 G-139 43-3147 N50241 G-140 43-3148 G-141 43-3149 G-142 43-3150 G-143 43-3151 G-144 43-3152 N51039 - FAA 10/12 as J3F-65 with A-65, Valid G-145 43-3153 G-146 43-3154 N49611 G-147 43-3155 G-148 43-3156 G-149 43-3157 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, sale reported, canx 1976 - Sealed bid 1/22/45, at Dakota Aviation Co., Municipal Airport, Huron, SD - High bid 1/31/45, Harry Porter, Chattanooga, TN $150 AWSR 2/21/45 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with O-235, expired 9-11 (FAA CD) G-150 43-3158 - 12/29/44 Awarded to Central States Aircraft & Supply Co. Ogallala, NE, by Defense Plant Corp, Denver, CO for $325 AWSR 1/31/45 G-151 43-3159 G-152 43-3160 G-153 43-3161 G-154 43-3162 - High bid 1/31/45, Robert A. Seabourne, Sheffield, AR $41.50 AWSR 2/21/45 G-155 43-3163 N8482H - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65, was Restricted, ag, terminated in 2012 G-156 43-3164 N48112 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, standard but ag, Valid (I have AK photo at Big Bear Lake)

G-157 43-3165 G-158 43-3166 G-159 43-3167 N49614 G-160 43-3168 G-161 43-3169 G-162 43-3170 G-163 43-3171 G-164 43-3172 N54903 - FAA 10/12 at J3C-65 with A-65, Valid G-165 43-3173 G-166 43-3174 G-167 43-3175 G-168 43-3176 - FAA 10-12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid (FAA CD) G-169 43-3177 - Sealed bids 2/3/45, at Thunderbird Field II, Pheonix, AZ AWSR 1/31/45 N46305 G-170 43-3178 - FAA register 11/7/12 shows N44D with valid registration as J3C-65 with C-85, Restricted, ag, N44D Have 10/12 FAA file on paper: 11/10/44 Bill of Sale from Defense Plant Corp, of the Reconstruction Finance Corp, NYC office, to Thomas Murchio, Paterson, NJ for $420; 6/1/46 337 on conversion to J3C by Perri Aircrft Repair Service, Brunswick, NJ;5/14/51 by his estate to Edwin Mege Sr., Edwin Mege Jr., Pequannock, NJ, as a J-3; 1/21/52 to Albert E. Muys Jr., Sussex, NJ; 11/13/53 to John J. Dowd, Warwick, NY; He, as Dowd s Aero Dusting Service requested a smaller registration with this compelling argument. The reason is this. If I happen to damage a wing in the season, the lower number - - would be quicker to paint on another panel, which means much to a duster, especially with the farmers breathing down my neck. The CAA issued him N44D!; 6/15/54 337 on conversion to duster with Whitaker Dust Unit; 5/1/55 337, installed C-85-12F, flight tested with special purpose load of #320; 5/6/61 337, recovered rear of fuselage from landing gear back. 9/15/61 337, installed O-235-C1 with PA-18 mount; 6/30/72 to John J. Dowd Jr, also of Warick, NY; 1/13/12 reregistered with Syracuse, KS address; G-171 43-3179 G-172 43-3180 G-173 43-3181 - High bid 1/10/45, Joe Marrs, Miami, FL $276.00, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA AWSR 2/7/45 G-174 43-3182 N41147 - Canadian CF-RQV in 1976: FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with C-90, Valid G-175 43-3183 G-176 43-3184 N49618 G-177 43-3185 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Revoked - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research - High bid 1/10/45, Lester Caplan, University City, MO $317.00 AWSR 2/7/45 G-178 43-3186 - High bid, Lester Caplan, University City, MO $317.00 AWSR 2/7/45 G-179 43-3187 - Sealed bids 2/3/45, at Thunderbird Field II, Pheonix, AZ AWSR 1/31/45 G-180 43-3188

G-181 43-3189 G-182 43-3190 N48947 - FAA 10/12 as J-3C with A-C-75, Valid G-183 43-3191 - FAA 11/7/12 as TG-8 Glider, valid registration. Have FAA file on paper, 10/12. Never certificated, several owners, always as a TG-8. G-184 43-3192 N46627 - Sealed bids received 1/31/45, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA (AWSR 1/24/45). 10/26/44, Bill of Sale, Defense Plant Corp., Atlanta, GA office, to John Stanley Lowe, Sarasota, FL for $413; Regis. Cert. 11/1/44; 5/20/85 to Paul R. Greenwood, Sarasota, FL; FAA General Aviation Activity and Avionics Survey in late 1980 s, says, Dismantled, out of service. Scrap. ; 8/17/88, FAA deregistered; 10/20/89 to Donald J. Wisler, Tampa, FL; 3/16/90 registration reinstated; 5/1/12 to Terry Brandt, Hood River, OR; 5/1/12 to Western Antique Aeroplane & Automobile Museum, Hood River, OR; G-185 43-3193 G-186 43-3194 G-187 43-3195 N46915 G-188 43-3196 G-189 43-3197 N49621 G-190 43-3198 G-191 43-3199 G-192 43-3200 G-193 43-3201 G-194 43-3202 G-195 43-3203 G-196 43-3204 N51454 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65, Valid - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $54.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - FAA 10/12 as J-3 with C-85, revoked - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to C. Ray Smith, Florence, SC for $375.00 AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, L. M. Sandlin, Miami, FL $57: AVSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Ludwig-Skyharbor Airport, St. Petersburg, FL, AWSR 1/10/45 - FAA 10/12 as J3L-65 with O-145B, Valid (FAA CD) - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $54.00 AWSR 2/21/45 G-197 43-3205 - 1/20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AWSR 1/10/45 G-198 43-3206 G-199 43-3207 G-200 43-3208 G-201 43-3209 G-202 43-3210 G-203 43-3211 G-204 43-3212 G-205 43-3213 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $54.00 AWSR 2/21/45 - High bid 1/31/45, Piedmont Aviation, Winston Salem, NC $54.00 AWSR 2/21/45 G-206 43-3214 - Sealed bid 1/22/45, at Cincinnati Aircraft Service, Lunken Airport, Cincinnati, OH, AWSR 1/10/45 G-207 43-3215 G-208 43-3216 - Awarded by DPC in Cincinnati to Rosco Magee, London, KY for $417 AWSR 1/24/45

G-209 43-3217 G-210 43-3218 - Sealed bid 1/22/45, at Cincinnati Aircraft Service, Lunken Airport, Cincinnati, OH, AWSR 1/10/45 G-211 43-3219 G-212 43-3220 N49624 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A65, Valid (FAA CD) G-213 43-3221 - Sealed bids 2/17/45, at Thompson Flying Service, Salt Lake City, UT AWSR 2/7/45 G-214 43-3222 N46311 FAA 10/12 as J3F-65, canx, deregis. 1956 G-215 43-3223 N49625 HB-OXD - 1975 Swiss Register says J-3C-90, ex N49625 - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G-216 43-3224 G-217 43-3225 - 1/20/45 Bid, Southeastern Air Service, Atlanta, GA, $285. At Herbert Smart Airport, Macon, GA: AWSR 1/10/45 G-218 43-3226 G-219 43-3227 G-220 43-3228 G-221 43-3229 G-222 43-3230 G-223 43-3231 G-224 43-3232 N49628 - FAA 10/12 as J3L-65, canx., deregis. 1976 - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G-225 43-3233 G-226 43-3234 N49630 G-227 43-3235 G-228 43-3236 G-229 43-3237 G-230 43-3238 - FAA 10/12 as 226, as TG-8 glider, with Franklin, revoked - Ordered FAA 10/30/12, Research G-231 43-3239 - Sealed bids 2/17/45, at Thompson Flying Service, Salt Lake City, UT AWSR 2/7/45 G-232 43-3240 G-233 43-3241 G-234 43-3242 G-235 43-3243 G-236 43-3244 N48686 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with A-65,Valid (FAA CD) G-237 43-3245 G-238 43-3246 - Sealed bids 2/17/45, at Thompson Flying Service, Salt Lake City, UT AWSR 2/7/45 G-239 43-3247 - Sealed bids 2/17/45, at Thompson Flying Service, Salt Lake City, UT AWSR 2/7/45 G-240 43-3248 G-241 43-3249 - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to Kenneth Starns, Conway, AR for $401.40 AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, W. R. Baker, Union City, TN $57: AWSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Gillepsie Field, Nashville, TN, AWSR 1/10/45

G-242 43-3250 G-243 43-3251 N49632 High bid 1/10/45, Joe Marrs, Miami, FL $301.00, at Bush Field, Augusta, GA AWSR 2/7/45 Have 11/12 FAA file on paper: Bill of Sale 1/22/45 from Defense Plant Corp., RFC Atlanta, GA agent, to Joe Marrs, Miami, FL for $301; 1/21/46 Marrs application for airworthiness as a J3F-65 with an AC4-176-B2, 337 says conversion in accordance with Piper Drawing J3-A-20; date of mfg. is 2/2/43; 9/18/46 owner Stengel Flying Service, Gainesville, GA added generator, battery, wiring, lights; 5/8/47 annual inspection for owner Walter Williams, Jacksonville, FL; 8/7/47 to Lema Corp, Jacksonville, FL as a J-3 Cub; 10/14/47 337 on recover with Grade A and installation of A-65, now a J3C-65; 10/14/47 to Lincoln Flying Service, Jacksonville, FL; 3/24/49 inspection form shows Unairworthy ; 11/17/71 FAA registration revoked for non-response. FAA 10/12 register shows it as J3C-65, canx., deregis 2009 G-244 43-3252 G-245 43-3253 G-246 43-3254 G-247 43-3255 G-248 43-3256 G-249 43-3257 G-250 43-3258 N49869 - FAA 10/12 as J3C-65 with O-290, Revoked - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, Research - Awarded 1/17/45 by Defense Plant Corp, Atlanta, GA, to Donald Dale Funk, West Memphis AR for $411 AWSR 2/7/45-1/20/45 Bid, Harry Porter, Lovell Field, Chattanooga, TN $12.50, AWSR 1/10/45 - Sealed bids 1/17/45, disassembled at Gillepsie Field, Nashville, TN, AWSR 1/10/45 - The 2/7/45 AWSR indicates that 43-12501 was sold surplus (below) 43-12499 43-12500 43-12501 Interesting TG-8 Information How many TG-8 s? - Various sites identify three additional gliders but nobody gives Piper Construction Numbers - Baugher says that USAAF 43-12499 thru 43-12501 were evaluated by USN as XLNP-1, but he also says that 43-3065, 43-3070, 43-3075 became USN BuNo 36425 thru 36427 for that purpose. See notes below. http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13205.0 TG-8-1942 Piper Grasshopper (Cub), 3-seat glider trainer converion, 250 built - TG-8-PI: Piper Model J-3C-65 (same desig. as per powered O-59/L-4 series) - XLNP-1-3 TG-8-PI to US Navy (BuNo 36425-'427), later returned to USAAF -- Note: L-4s also used (power off) for gliding training (Atterbury AAFB) I found this somewhere but didn t note the source: The XLNP-1 is the Navy/USMC designation for the Army Piper TG-8 training glider. Three TG-8's were given to the Navy and two of those were sent to Marine Glider Group 71 for training and evaluation. The two originally went to MCAS Parris Island and then transferred to MCAS Eagle Mountain Lake. I highly suspect that only 250 TG-8 s were built and that the confusion arises from the three that went to the USN/USMC and then came back to the USAAF and were probably given a new military serial number. I ll bet that: - G-57 43-3065 became BuNo 36425 (Baugher), and then, if the numbers stayed in sequence, 43-12499 when returned to the USAAF. The FAA file shows that it was an XLNP-1 but shows it as 43-3065, which weakens my argument. - G-62 43-3070 became BuNo 36426 (Baugher), and then 43-12500 when returned? - G-67 43-3075 became BuNo 36427 (Baugher), and then 43-12501 when returned? Per the AWSR 2/7/45 Joe Marrs was high bidder at $301, 1/10/45, at Bush Field. It would be very helpful if that aircraft had been certified and info could be gleaned from the FAA file.

TG-8 s that I can connect to my father, the late Chris D. Stoltzfus of Coatesville, PA: G-87 43-3095 N46914 he bought surplus and made a J3C-65 duster. I have ordered the FAA file. G-111 43-3119 According to the AWSR, he was high bidder at a price that was often being accepted G-112 43-3120 N49594 one of three that he sold to Karl Knight in Miami (don t know third one) G-113 43-3121 N49595 one of three that he sold to Karl Knight in Miami G-116 43-3124 N47049 He bought surplus and made a J3C-65 duster. I have the FAA file on CD. G-117 43-3125 According to the AWSR, he was high bidder at a price that was often being accepted G-119 32-3127 AWSR says awarded to Father, no further info G-121 43-3129 According to the AWSR, he was high bidder at a price that was often being accepted G-125 43-3133 N49598 Father s, I have Certificate of Ownership and Aircraft Registration - Ordered FAA 10/29/12, Research G-128 43-3136 According to the AWSR, he was high bidder at a price that was often being accepted N46916 His duster shown on his 1947 fleet photo but I can t identify it further A January 1945 ad in the Aviation War Surplus Record said: GLIDER, brand new Piper built $500. Be the first in your town to own a glider. Can be changed to powered plane. For further information write Box 509, Aviation War Surplus Record